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To: Seizethecarp; LucyT; Fred Nerks
We have both a photocopy of the physical U. of WA academic record and confirmed Mercer record for SADO and also a computer printout from the U. of WA computer database and a letter from the U of HI registrar all confirming and corroborating that there is only one Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and that she was in WA in the year immediately after Barry's alleged date of birth.

It requires a conspiracy theory to claim that Mercer, U. of HI and U. of WA records in state custody were all corrupted to create a false narrative, a false narrative that would actually support the Dreams narrative that SADO was in HI with BHO Sr at that time.

SADO in WA at the address corroborated between U. of WA and Polk destroys the Dreams narrative and destroys any claims that an phantom “Anna Obama” was in WA in January of 1961.

This is a variation of a debate I have had with Fred off and on over the last year.

I tend to accept the University of Washington records as real evidence of a true record because I have some personal first hand knowledge of where they came from and how they were prepared. The security system is significant and getting in to modify the records or create altered or new records would be very very difficult.

But, that said, you are in a contest with some well financed and well connected individuals with substantial access at the U. I would not say that modifications in the official record might not have been made. I don't think it is likely.

Until evidence to the contrary appears, I would accept the U's original transcript records as evidence that someone using Stanley Ann's name was at the U from September 1961 until June of 1962. I would further accept that record as evidence that Stanley Ann got a High School diploma from Mercer Island High School in 1960; and that someone using her name attended the University of Hawaii with the performance specified.

I also have first hand knowledge about student identification and the Tyee pictures. I am not so sure I regard it as conclusive that the person in question is proven to have been Stanley Ann.

If somebody else turned up with Stanley's driver's license and the registrar's office said they picture didn't look the same, the person might well blow it by by saying she had a new hair do and contact lenses.

A Tyee picture might be helpful but as I recall, those were only taken of entering full time student's in the day school in the fall. So she wouldn't have been there.

Bottom line is that I am not convinced it is beyond doubt that there was more than one woman with a multi racial child in this act; I am not convinced the same woman was at the U and on Capitol Hill throughout the entire relevant period. I do not view it as proven from an evidentiary standpoint, that the woman attending the U throughout the 1961 academic year was in fact Stanley Ann Dunham. Might have been; further evidence may well confirm who was where and what they did; but until you can see the real evidence, you may not be able to figure it out.

Observe also, that if you got into a Court contest with Obama, a judge would order him to give you a footprint to compare with the print on Lucas Smith's certificate--if it matched, the argument would be over; that would be proof the certificate was real and that Obama was born in Mombasa.

If I were going to bet today, I would bet the print will not match.

973 posted on 04/23/2011 12:27:43 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
that if you got into a Court contest with Obama, a judge would order him to give you a footprint to compare with the print on Lucas Smith's certificate--if it matched, the argument would be over; that would be proof the certificate was real and that Obama was born in Mombasa. If I were going to bet today, I would bet the print will not match.

That would only prove the Mombasa bc and the usurper's footprint didn't match. It wouldn't prove or disprove anything else and you'd be back as square one. It may or may not prove the Mombasas bc was a true document and you wouldn't be any closer to who the usurper might be. It wouldn't prove if the usurper was Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro or not. It wouldn't prove if he was born in HI, Kenya, or Mars. Same thing with a HI long form. Nothing will prove who this freak is and he knows it. That's the game he's playing and will continue to play.

983 posted on 04/23/2011 3:21:49 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: David
“Bottom line is that I am not convinced it is beyond doubt that there was more than one woman with a multi racial child in this act; I am not convinced the same woman was at the U and on Capitol Hill throughout the entire relevant period. I do not view it as proven from an evidentiary standpoint, that the woman attending the U throughout the 1961 academic year was in fact Stanley Ann Dunham. Might have been; further evidence may well confirm who was where and what they did; but until you can see the real evidence, you may not be able to figure it out.”

If there was a hearing on the merits the transcript evidence could be produced and I expect you would stipulate that if it were authenticated in court then it would prove SADO was a student at U. WA.

In contrast, there is no such evidence shown yet even claimed to prove a different Anna Obama was in WA in Jan 1961. The memories of Toutonghi, which she said she was struggling with even in the newspaper story, would not likely survive cross-examination.

1,004 posted on 04/23/2011 5:39:01 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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