Obama's aunt angry at Trump (Now she claims family got letter from BHO Sr. in Hawaii)

WHDH-TV / CNN ^ | April 11, 2011

[2ndDivisionVet]

BOSTON - Barack Obama's aunt, Zeituni Onyango, says Donald Trump disrespected her family by questioning the president's birthplace.

Trump quoted Obama's grandmother when she claimed to have witnessed Barack Obama's birth in Kenya, and Onyango says that is not true.....

[azishot]

There were three little boys...

Three? I'm having trouble keeping up...sigh.

[Brown Deer]

any claims that Toutonghi was baby sitting Anna Obama’s baby in January of 1961 to NOT be persuasive.

What reason would she have to lie?

We've seen plenty of proof of your president's lies!

[Fred Nerks]

...FN has used the Toutonghi story to claim that in January 1961 when her baby was 18 months old in Toutonghi’s memory she could NOT have been babysitting Barry but was babysitting a different baby for a different “Anna Obama”

I'm not USING anything other than what the woman herself said at first interview. She did NOT identify ANNA as anyone but ANNA, and if ANNA had a baby to baby-sit in January when her own daughter was 18 months of age, ANNA could not be mistaken for Stanley Ann Dunham, who would still have been in high school when that child was conceived.

(who was in the rental listing a year later)

What is a 'rental listing' - do you mean the directory entry for ANNA OBAMA or have you by chance a copy of a lease agreement?

whom he claims is the Asian woman from the USA called Ann in the picture of BHO Sr. at the apartment party.

First of all, I have never referred to ANNE/USA identified at the Nachmannof's as 'Asian' - but I have, on several occasions pointed out that this girl might very well have been the girl Neil Abercrombie said he saw with the Kenyan. Neil always refers to the woman whom he says he saw with the Kenyan as ANN - OR - ANNE.

Neil Abercrombie might very well have been 'here when that child was born' BUT HE DOESN'T SAY WHEN.

I suggest we drop this conversation, you have been trying to make me follow the 'Dreams' scenario for almost a year now. It's a waste of your time and mine.

[bgill]

;)

[Seizethecarp]

“I suggest we drop this conversation, you have been trying to make me follow the ‘Dreams’ scenario for almost a year now.”

That is false. I am just trying use my skills to assess the claims made about alleged evidence as carefully as I can without overstating evidence and without falsely refuting valid evidence. If evidence supports a claim in “Dreams,” I don't reject it out of hand, but I regard all dialog in “Dreams” as Obama hearsay and not worth much as evidence.

The truth is that I am the one who has pointed out to you several times that given Ayers involvement and Obama’s duplicity it is unwise for you to continue to use any quotes or situation framing from “Dreams”!

You just quoted Auma in “Dreams” again in comment #594! You have looked to “Dreams” several times on this thread while denouncing those who do exactly that.

BTW, the evidence that I find most compelling is that SADO was in Seattle is this NOT in the “Dreams” scenario.

[bgill]

The newspaper article guy looks much tubbier and seems he would be older than the guy in the color pictures. But I haven’t been keeping up with that dude so I’ll bow to you on this. Where is he today?

[Fred Nerks]

You bring nothing new ‘to the table’ - always the same criticism. I am tired of it. I quote from ‘Dreams’ only when I can see through the lies, but that’s far too subtle for you, isn’t it?

Of course there’s no mention of Seattle in the book. ANNA OBAMA was NOT meant to be found.

[Fred Nerks]

The ‘newspaper article guy’ was 31 in the article when it was published in 1992.

Here’s the ORIGINAL article link:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4mwQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5osDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6655,2037468&dq=roman-obama

He came from Equatorial Guinea...in the article. The man in the colour images is an Adminstration official for the Consul of Equatorial Guinea.

[Brown Deer]

I am just trying use my skills...

You have no relevant skills!

[little jeremiah]

0b0z0b0t

I've read of heroes who have the strength of ten. You have the sense of humor not of ten, but of hundreds.

All condensed. ROTFLOL!

[little jeremiah]

Te newspaper article guy - Roman Obama - was born in 1961, then. (And just where in the august 0bama family tree does this little branch fit, eh?)

I sort of figured in the newspaper photo - IIRC that’s when it says he was or had been at Patrice Lumumba Friendship University looked older than his actual age in the photo due to distortions in the image and perhaps he was quite overweight at the time.

Lumumga U being the one that trains or did train people from third world countries to become communist revolutionaries in their home turf; and IIRC Raila Odinga or one of that crew (Obongo Odinga? Sheesh I can’t remember their names) also when to the Lumumba U. I have wondered if Zero went there some of the time he was (supposedly?) at Columbia, perhaps some study abroad connection with Columbia. I remember reading an article or two about how students would often to that, study abroad while officially under the auspices of Columbia.

I don’t think Roman and Zero are the same person, they don’t look at all alike. But there has to be some strange connection.

Just my thoughts.

[melancholy]

;) blushhhhhhhh

It should be 0b0z0butt, b0t I digress. A place you do not want to wish on your worst enemy. Who wants to be in this disgusting spot to be pounded for life?

[Fred Nerks]

The son of OGINGA ODINGA, Raila, the now-Prime Minister of Keyna, for whom zero campaigned in Kenya in 2006, I believe studied at a university in East Germany. It was his brother, named after Fidel Castro, who attended Lumumba University in Moscow.

Here we are GOOGLE:

http://www.jaluo.com/wangwach/200710/Leo_Odera_Omolo102507d.html

“...Raila studied in East Germany and graduated from Otto Von Guericke Technical University, Magdeburg in 1970, with a Msc degree in Mechanical Engineering.

Agwambo returned home to jointly take care of the Odinga family with his elder brother Dr. Oburu Odinga who had earlier graduated with a PhD degree in political Science and Economics at the Lumumba University in Moscow in the former USSR...”

[little jeremiah]

Oh, thank you. So both the Odinga brothers studied in communist universities.

And Roman Obama as well, the odd Obama with no known pedigree, atecedents or connection to the rest of the 0bama/Odinga etc clan.

[Fred Nerks]

...I don’t think Roman and Zero are the same person, they don’t look at all alike. But there has to be some strange connection.

...We turned down the street and passed the Hotel Tropic which would some years later, offer me refuge from a violent coup-de-tat. We found our way into a second-floor apartment building that, for Kenya, was probably considered upper middle class. However, the apartment was grim.

Despite the rough ambiance, the Luo man who greeted us was quite impressive as he stood, his broad, Luo face smiling. He offered us his hand. Three warm bottles of Fanta orange drink sat on a side table along with three filmy glasses.

The man was a believer. And he was on fire with his belief. We sat on a thread-bare sofa in an apartment that overlooked the Jevanji Gardens. The scent of curry and vindaloo competed with the offerings of charcoal braziers full of corn on the street below.

Odinga sat on the edge of his chair and leaned forward, facing Joe and I. He told us of his visit to America and how American Freedom Fighters--civil rights activists had secretly visited with him in Atlanta as he was under State Department security control. He told us how the famous American Freedom Fighter, Malcom X had embraced him (Odinga) and that there was even a song written in America called, "Oginga Odinga of Kenya."

LINK: SCROLL WAY DOWN.

[Fred Nerks]

Oginga Odinga lived for a time in a town named MASENO. He went to the same school as did the kenyan, but many years before.

The kenyan was born in 1934-5 iirc.

Oginga Odinga was born in 1911 RIP 1994.

[Fred Nerks]

one little boy X3...

[Girlene]

---------When was Mary supposed to have babysat obama? If it was fall of 61, that would have put her baby at just over 2 years old, and certainly still in diapers.----------

Nope, mine were out of diapers by 18-19 months.

That is not typical. Potty training can begin at any age, obviously, depending on the child/parents. There are plenty of children who are still in diapers at three....four is much more unusual. Having a child in diapers at 2 or 2 1/2 would not be unusual at all. I was trying to work backwards based on the distinct memory of the diaper scenario. That memory leaves a wide range of possible times that Mary could have babysat, but is a memory I would trust more than an exact age. It's the way most humans remember things - events vs. exact timelines.

That's why I asked if there was any other data of when Stanley Ann was supposed to be in the apartments with Mary babysitting. If not, we only have two pieces of data that may or may not totally add up - Mary says her child was 18 months and that she was in diapers. To me, the 18 month memory is a less trustworthy memory than the diaper memory. However, the diaper memory leaves a wide range of possibilities of when she babysat for Stanley Ann. So there we are.

[Girlene]

........When was Mary supposed to have babysat obama? If it was fall of 61, that would have put her baby at just over 2 years old, and certainly still in diapers. .....

Mary didn't say she baby-sat in Fall 1961, Mary said she baby-sat when her daughter, born July 1959, was 18 months of age. That makes it JANUARY 1961.

Here's the article that I've found describing Mary's memories. Baby Sitting Barack Obama on Seattle¹s Capitol Hill

It does not say when Mary babysat. It says,......

...."Mary Toutonghi. Much to our delight it turned out Mary actually knew Ann Dunham and had baby sat baby Barack for two months"..... and

........."She recalls as best she can the dates she baby sat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of baby sitting Barack in January and February of 1962. [Note: 9/3/09: I believe Mary's daughter was older than what she remembered which would account for the age discrepency]."...........

.........."Mary strains to remember the days back over forty five years ago and relates that she did not know why Anna was in Seattle but remembers she was ³anxious to get back to her husband²."............

Okay, if Mary babysat for the 1961 fall semester for two months, this would put her daughter at 25 to 29 months in between August and December of '61. This is still within the diaper phase of a toddler. If it was spring, '62 Mary's daughter would have been 2 1/2 years in January. Still very possible for her to be in diapers. If I were "guessing" I would assume Stanley Ann might haved used Mary at the beginning of her college days in Washington. Mary would have been close by and her first acquaintance with a possible babysitter. She might have found other, more permanent, arrangements the longer she stayed in Seattle. But, I am merely guessing since I haven't found where Mary says "when" she babysit, only descriptions of what was occurring in her life at the time of her babysitting.

The author of this article further confuses things by messing up the timeline, saying if Mary's daugher was 18 months, that would have put the babysitting timeline at Jan/Feb '62....Huh?? She should have said that would put the 18 month babysitting timeline at Jan/Feb, '61.

[Bikkuri]

I think they know when they’ve been beat.... well.. sometimes :p