Cloward-Piven from the Right

Western Hero ^ | 9 April 2011 | Silverfiddle

[Silverfiddle]

Angry anti-GOP mobs are rampaging across the internet, screaming that this budget deal is the worst betrayal in US history, right up there with Nixon signing the Paris Peace Accords, The Compromise of 1877, and Art Modell's betrayal of the city of Cleveland


We Have Not Yet Begun to Fight

How would these critics of Boehner and the GOP have reacted after the battle of Lexington that began the Revolutionary War?  Would they have gone home in defeat because there were still British left standing?  This is just an early skirmish in a long war to reshape the federal government.  We still have the debt ceiling fight coming up in May.

Republicans wrapped up a deal that takes us through 2011 while cutting $38 billion, and thank God for that.  It folds the tents on this nickle-dime DC circus sideshow (they were arguing over less than 1% in cuts) and clears the field for debate on Paul Ryan's long-term strategy for cutting Trillions from the federal government, and enacting fundamental reforms.

Don't be a Sore Winner
For reasons unfathomable, some on the right are angry with Boehner.  I'd like for someone to explain how a government shutdown would have helped the GOP, who the American people still view with mistrust.  Here is what he and the GOP did, despite Democrat control of the Senate, the White House and the news media:

The history of offers on this bill goes something like this. Democrats first offered no cuts, then $4 billion, then $6.5 billion, then $33 billion, then settled at $38.5 billion.  (Fox News)

The spending cuts amount to $78.5 billion below what Mr. Obama had requested for 2011. (Washington Times)

 "...an estimated $38 billion in reductions — represented the “largest real dollar spending cut in American history.” (NY Times)

With the DC kabuki agitprop out of the way, Paul Ryan can now conduct an adult conversation based upon stark facts.  This is harsh terrain for unserious liberals who rely on the usual freakshow histrionics.  Americans are ready for a serious debate on ending our profigate ways, and the Republicans are the only ones discussing it seriously.

Do you want to reform government spending, or do you just want to burn the damned thing down?

It's a serious question, and if your answer is the latter, you are in the camp of the libertines who turned the French Revolution into a violent rampage that forever knocked that nation off of her powerful and glorious perch.  Such a sentiment also puts you firmly outside the camp of the founding fathers.  They had righteous anger, but they channeled it into constructive projects that built the greatest nation in the history of the world.

By clamoring for a shutdown, we feed into the left's stereotypes that we are a rabble of anarchists with torches and pitchforks clamoring to burn down government.  The broad middle does not respond well to such wild displays.  Ask "Pitchfork Pat" Buchanan, the latest in a long line of failed American populists.

Fiscal conservatives on Capitol Hill need the support of patriotic Americans who follow the example of our original revolutionary patriots.  Screaming libertines and bloody guillotines provide propaganda fodder for the leftwing statists struggling to preserve the status quo, and end up working against government reformers like Paul Ryan and Tom Coburn.

Tea Party Activists Give Boehner Nod of Approval
Lefty Ezra Klein is all Pouty
Fox News - Who Won the Shutdown?
Salon - Boehner Won
WaPo - Boehner Gets $39 Billion, Reid Gets Nothing

[Silverfiddle]

Come on, this is propaganda straight from the Dems playbook. Ryan is proposing a cut in the proposed increase of Trillions of dollars. Spending will go up substantially, but so will the National debt.

So then why are we even concerning ourselves with this. According to you there is no hope, so it's all futile. I suggest you go read Ryan's plan http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/

[USARightSide]

‘ya ll rilly dinna beeleave______’

Southern Scot, yes Laddie? - - -

[phockthis]

SFL

[EvasiveManuever]

Burn the damned thing down.

[bigheadfred]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2700773/posts?page=7#7

[EvasiveManuever]

Such a sentiment also puts you firmly outside the camp of the founding fathers.

Absolute nonsense. Obama Fertilizer. BS.

The Founders would have revolted at any time prior to 1920 with violent force. You're out of your mind. And ignorant of history. The Founders would be OUTRAGED that even 5% of domestic production went to government, not to mention the 100,000 laws.

Only because we have been conditioned has it not happened yet.

So you're part of the 'Keep them On the Reservation' clan. You guys are easy to spot if people start looking. Always there with a polished and professional reason to not make waves. To go along. Just like the pre-fab Protest signs the Demons carry.

Who's paying you?

[EvasiveManuever]

I’d note your newbie appearance too.

[Jim Noble]

I would say that the minimum acceptable immediate cut is $750 billion before May 31.

If Congress won't do it, the credit markets are going to insist.

The other $750 billion has to go before October 1, 2011.

What CAN these fools be thinking about?

[muir_redwoods]

Government shut-down, Planned Parenthood and military pay shutoff are all diversions from the real problem which is our debt. We borrow half of what we spend and it’s getting worse every day. Cutting 80 billion dollars when we’re 14 trillion in debt is like paying $20 on your $3500 Visa bill

[EvasiveManuever]

Talk of bloody revolution is stupid and reckless and get us where?

Free of the King of England?

[EvasiveManuever]

I will.

Anyone that can see the truth needs support.

[EvasiveManuever]

Die-hard conservatives thought that if I couldn't get everything I asked for, I should jump off the cliff with the flag flying-go down in flames. No, if I can get 70 or 80 percent of what it is I'm trying to get ... I'll take that and then continue to try to get the rest in the future. -- Ronald Reagan

Ok. I'm reasonable too.

I agree to settle for $800B in cuts a year for the next 10 years.

That's an 80% compromise with the 114 House member "Tea Party" budget.

I'm in. You win.

[bigheadfred]

Yes, we all do.

[Silverfiddle]

Absolute nonsense. Obama Fertilizer. BS. The Founders would have revolted at any time prior to 1920 with violent force. You're out of your mind.

I'm talking about the means, not the ends.

[Silverfiddle]

So you're part of the 'Keep them On the Reservation' clan. You guys are easy to spot if people start looking. Always there with a polished and professional reason to not make waves. To go along. Just like the pre-fab Protest signs the Demons carry. Who's paying you?

OK, I just read this part of your comment. You are ignorant. I say that because you level such charges without knowing a thing about me.

Do your homework next time before spouting idiocies against people you don't know.

[Silverfiddle]

Believe it or not, evasive, there is an internet outside of FR.

[USARightSide]

Was picking up on your written ‘burrrrrr’ hyphen, hyphen, hyphen.
That started with ‘ya ll’ which seemed American-Southern to me, thus . . . . ‘Southern Scot.’
(Pardon if you know what I meant, hyphen, hyphen, hyphen).

Paternal g-parents from Scotland spoke with a burr - loved it! They were around to see our 4 children born - plus years after. Hardy Scots! Very blessed.
Same with a full Norwegian grandmother to the kids - hardy!

I’m half Glaswegian-American - - - : )
With a full (both parents) NorWEGIAN-American spouse.

(All this blather without drinking a drop of alcohol . . . swear)!

[Colonel_Flagg]

For reasons unfathomable, some on the right are angry with Boehner.

Because he lived up to one-third of his promise. Simples.

[bigheadfred]

Southern Idaho Scot, but mostly Irish I suppose.

Proud of the heritage, and I just like to play.

Doc made me swear off the alcohol.

More’s the pity there.

[Silverfiddle]

Talk of bloody revolution is stupid and reckless and get us where? Free of the King of England?

Yes it did! But I'm talking about the present.