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Christianity the reason for West's success, say the Chinese
Iona Institute ^ | 3rd March 2011 | Tom O'Gorman

Posted on 03/07/2011 9:00:56 AM PST by Eurotwit

In the West we are doing our best to destroy our Christian heritage but in China, Chinese intellectuals are coming around to the view that it is precisely this heritage that has made the West so successful.

Former editor of the Sunday Telegraph, Dominic Lawson, in a review in the Sunday Times of Niall Ferguson's new book, ‘Civilisation: The West and the Rest’, carries a quote from a member of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in which he tries to account for the success of the West, to date.

He said: “One of the things we were asked to look into was what accounted for the success, in fact, the pre-eminence of the West all over the world.

“We studied everything we could from the historical, political, economic, and cultural perspective. At first, we thought it was because you had more powerful guns than we had.

“Then we thought it was because you had the best political system. Next we focused on your economic system.

“But in the past twenty years, we have realised that the heart of your culture is your religion: Christianity. That is why the West is so powerful.

“The Christian moral foundation of social and cultural life was what made possible the emergence of capitalism and then the successful transition to democratic politics. We don’t have any doubt about this.”

Note the source. It isn't from a religious leader, or some religious think-tank. The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences is an instrument of the Chinese Communist government which spends a not inconsiderable amount of time and money persecuting Christians and is officially atheistic.

If this is the conclusion it has come to, maybe Europe needs to reconsider whether it mightn't be an idea to encourage rather than eradicate Christianity.

Incidentally, just to drive home the point, Lawson also refers to this data point in Ferguson's book: Wenzhou, the Chinese city which is rated as the most entrepreneurial in the country, is also home to 1,400 churches.

Lawson refers to a quote in the book from a prominent Wenzhou business leader, a Mr Hanping Zhang, who argues that “an absence of trust had been one of the main factors holding China back; but he feels he can trust his fellow Christians because he knows that they will be honest in their dealings with him”.

It has long been accepted that Christianity is one of the core elements of Western civilisation; it is too little understood that it is also one of the secrets of the stunning success of that civilisation.


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: china; clashofcivilizations
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To: BenKenobi

You make a good point.

Human welfare is not only about taking care of yourself.

It’s about taking care of the the next generation.

And, making sure there is one...


101 posted on 03/07/2011 4:53:39 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Quix

You seem to be one of those that worship at the later of division.

God knows me many Othodox do btw.

Look at the post below you.

People like you might not do the work of Satan.

But, he is for sure snickering...


102 posted on 03/07/2011 4:57:59 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Alter of division.


103 posted on 03/07/2011 4:58:46 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Depends on context, focus and some other things.

I do seem to be, by God’s Grace, pretty good at pulling the lid off of

white-washed awfulness.

I prefer unity.

pseudo Unity at any price and without support of truth

is like peace at any price

not peace; not worth the price.


104 posted on 03/07/2011 5:05:14 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Eurotwit

Yes it is.. Which is why if the left is to replace the system with their own, they need to eradicate it’s foundation..


105 posted on 03/07/2011 6:00:13 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Indeed.


106 posted on 03/07/2011 6:21:46 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

One of the things that Weber refers to is the drive behind supporting a large family.


107 posted on 03/07/2011 7:14:40 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: BenKenobi

Would sure motivate me, alright.

However, our era has a lot of escapee dads.


108 posted on 03/07/2011 7:16:45 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: American Constitutionalist
"...Catholicism and Islam has some history in common,..."

Mohammed <---------------> Joseph Smith:

Lone "Special Prophet" of God receives visitation from Angel Gabriel, who dictates "third testement" because previous worshippers got it wrong.

Teachings of "new revelation" result in highly restrictive, legalistic new religion featuring polygamy.

What was that about Catholics again???

109 posted on 03/08/2011 1:13:09 AM PST by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Sorry, but I’m afraid the so-called intellectuals & profartssors are busy copying others’ works and can’t get to your comments for the moment, and for ever.


110 posted on 03/08/2011 8:05:58 AM PST by Phoebe From China (I believe we've arrived at another quintessential "Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock" moment.)
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To: Persevero
We’re it.

I would agree with you, overall. However, God's intenions was never for one country to be Christian. He meant for all countries to be Christians.

America has a long history of Christianity without persecution, but not without problems. And Christians, of course, were at one time, persecuted in Europe which culminated in the establishment of America.

Christianity is like a group of fish swimming upstream in a fallen world.

Many countries in the world, that have various levels of successes or living the Christian life depends on the heritage of that country. For example, the non-Christians in America, may have been descendants of Christians families. And therefore, the animosity may not be as great as those in countries that don't have Christian heritage.

The Christian people who lives in the Rwanda have much to overcome in the area of forgiveness, etc. after experiencing mass genocide. But there are Christians there who are working against a much tougher tide when trying to affect change in their own country. Change against corruption, etc.

And lets not forget, that even Christianity can become an ineffective religion. One only has to look at issues of child abuse in the various Catholic churches that have occured recently (or more accurately, come to light).

In other words, we can't look at the present day situation and gurantee the future with it. God's intention was not for the US to stand as a beacon, but rather for all nations to stand as a beacon of light.

Christianity has taken a hold in China. And there is a big uphill battle going on there. China has been steeped in superstition and the Christians are up against that. But I believe the torch has started there. And the China of 2025, 2050, etc. will be a different China than today and especially yesterday.

God has truely blessed America. But his intention was not to stop just in America and say his work is finished. Its not finished.

111 posted on 03/08/2011 10:18:38 AM PST by ponder life
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To: Eurotwit

It is GOD himself ( not the will of man ) that will unify the body of Christ ( his church ) in his time and in his way.


112 posted on 03/08/2011 8:10:45 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
I am not a Mormon.

I am a Messianic Jew.


113 posted on 03/11/2011 2:00:08 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:12:37 AM · 19 of 39

American Constitutionalist to moonshinner_09

Woe to Nineveh !!

Touch not, or harm the God of Israel's beloved ISRAEL ! Neither touch the Lord's anointed one's the church, the body of Christ.

Think it not strange that floods will come, cities will be overwhelmed with floods.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken, and see whole mountains crumble and the waters over flow them.
Think it not strange when you see the GOD of Israel ride the waves with his horse in his anger because you harmed his beloved one, his Israel.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken and see world wide tsunamis.
Think it not strange when you see both the SUN and MOON stop in their place.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken, that even the stars seem to move out of their place, along with the Sun and Moon.
114 posted on 03/11/2011 2:00:41 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Ditto
There was more than one Inquistion.
Some of these Inquisions were edicts right from the Pope.

115 posted on 03/11/2011 2:02:23 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Ditto
Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:12:37 AM · 19 of 39

American Constitutionalist to moonshinner_09

Woe to Nineveh !!

Touch not, or harm the God of Israel's beloved ISRAEL ! Neither touch the Lord's anointed one's the church, the body of Christ.

Think it not strange that floods will come, cities will be overwhelmed with floods.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken, and see whole mountains crumble and the waters over flow them.
Think it not strange when you see the GOD of Israel ride the waves with his horse in his anger because you harmed his beloved one, his Israel.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken and see world wide tsunamis.
Think it not strange when you see both the SUN and MOON stop in their place.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken, that even the stars seem to move out of their place, along with the Sun and Moon.
116 posted on 03/11/2011 2:02:45 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Eurotwit
Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:12:37 AM · 19 of 39

American Constitutionalist to moonshinner_09

Woe to Nineveh !!

Touch not, or harm the God of Israel's beloved ISRAEL ! Neither touch the Lord's anointed one's the church, the body of Christ.

Think it not strange that floods will come, cities will be overwhelmed with floods.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken, and see whole mountains crumble and the waters over flow them.
Think it not strange when you see the GOD of Israel ride the waves with his horse in his anger because you harmed his beloved one, his Israel.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken and see world wide tsunamis.
Think it not strange when you see both the SUN and MOON stop in their place.
Think it not strange when you see the Earth shaken, that even the stars seem to move out of their place, along with the Sun and Moon.
117 posted on 03/11/2011 2:03:33 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Eurotwit
The Church, ie. the body of Christ will be strong and united by God's power through the Holy Spirit, and not out of some will of man in some man made multi-cutural, multi-denominations, multi-faith get togethers.

118 posted on 03/11/2011 2:06:19 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Eurotwit

(841) “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” (Catholic Catechism, pgs. 242, 243)


119 posted on 03/15/2011 6:26:49 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: muir_redwoods

(841) “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” (Catholic Catechism, pgs. 242, 243)


120 posted on 03/15/2011 6:27:21 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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