Posted on 02/12/2011 12:42:10 AM PST by Nickname
The party staged by Andrew Breitbart for GOProud — the gay Republican and conservative group — was as close to a game changer as things get and the most interesting event at CPAC by far, at least to this point — and that’s meant as no insult to CPAC. With sexy Sophie B. Hawkins singing to a boisterous, supportive crowd, the party almost obliterated in one night the conception that Republicans are anti-gay and gave the impression that young libertarians — and some not so young — are taking over the GOP. Pretty soon it may be cool to be a Republican and square to be a Democrat.
Well, maybe that’s what I wanted to see and wanted to feel, but the atmosphere was certainly there Thursday night at DC’s Eighteenth Street Lounge. People wandered the club’s corridors in wonderment at it all. No, there weren’t any leather biker studs or other accoutrements of the more outre gay scene, but there was as much acceptance of our modern world as at Democratic Party events, especially national ones of the scope of CPAC.
Does this indeed mean that libertarianism in its various strains is taking over the GOP? Again, that is possibly wishful thinking (and I wouldn’t want it to be that brand of libertarianism that seems to think the common defense can be accomplished with BB guns in someone’s garage), but there are indications across CPAC. Again, maybe this is anecdotal, but I’ve hardly heard much talk of abortion or other social issues at the conference — and when I have it seems vaguely discordant or anachronistic. Most people wanted to discuss the economy or the looming dangers of the Muslim Brotherhood. And, of course, who would be best to put Barack Obama out of office.
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actually you surprised me
You admitted you were wrong which today shows good character.
I thought you were just another troll or libertarian posing as a conservative as many of us on here have had to deal with in these last few months.
As for the longer than you on here, well that means nothing as many were banned a few weeks ago for pushing the homosexual agenda and were found to be long time trolls, some even as far back as 1999/98/
again I appreciate your character and your honesty
No problem. They haven't been overt in their stands until recently.
Keep in mind that any group that self identifies only by their sexual preference probably isn't conservative.
Seems like a good time to give a shout out to Al Gore for his awesomely amazing Internet. Thanks, Al!
You are correct. I always reserve the right to be wrong and today I seem to be using up my entire year's allotment.
I know you are right. I apologize for my snarkiness. I seemed to have used my entire allotment for mistakes on this one thread.
I think that you underestimate the number of libertarians in the Tea Party movement. Yeah, they claim to support the constitution, but it is their interpretation of the constitution, not ours.
I explained what is going on in education in WA state, I did the same on the WA state board on FreeRepublic and I could not get a single response from anyone who was opposed to the unionization of the potential drop outs. They simply don’t care whether education standards are lowered. It’s not important to them. Some of them actually supported it because they think that increased union membership is a good thing.
Would that be a defeat for liberalism? The amendment assumes the government has the authority to define marriage, not merely recognize it, and assumes the role that is God's. That is the epitome of liberal activism.
Consider public schools. In the old days (speaking from my family's experience), communities on the prairie would pool their resources and hire a teacher for the children. What was taught in these schools was controlled by the local community who hired and paid the teacher. Parents were allowed to educate their children in any manner they desired.
Then the state and federal government, at the behest of powerful interests, decided they needed to regulate education. Now *all* children have to conform to federal rules, where prayer is replaced by militant atheism, patriotism by relativism, and freedom by conformism.
Do "conservatives" support the end of the machine that is producing all of these abominations? Very few. Instead of arguing whether or not the government should be controlling education, they argue about which books to teach. They've lost before they even started because they accept the premise that governments do a better job of making educational choices for our children. Fight the battle once. Get the government out of education.
If you win, your victory would be a Pyrrhic one. Eventually your amendment would be nullified by another that is completely opposite of your beliefs. Your amendment presumes the government and the people should, or even have the authority to, define a sacrament. You've lost the war before you started the battle.
As with education, get the government out of the marriage business, and fight the battle once.
The answer is not more federal regulations, laws or, God forbid, a constitutional amendment. The answer is *less* government and *more* individual control of our children's destinies. If we had done that in the first place, I doubt we would even need to debate this issue.
Concerning DADT, that *is* a federal role tasked by the Constitution (a concept other libertarians find strangely difficult to grasp - national defense *is* about conformism to complete a single task, i.e. national defense, not individualism). Most enlisted will tell you how great DADT is. A few officers may agree. It's a nightmare to enforce and was designed by the Clinton administration to protect homos, not soldiers. Homo predators in the military have used DADT to rape. The homos threaten victims that they will receive an OTH discharge for violating DADT because they'll tell everyone it was consensual. It *has* happened, and with officers raping 18-year-old privates and airmen. DADT was a bad idea, IMHO. Let them serve openly and let them be subjected to the same crap of "harassment is in the eye of the harassed" or don't let them in at all. If they deny an athletic kid for benign hemorrhoids, they ought to deny them for being homos. If they can't conform to the standard, they can't join. If they do join and get caught, failure to adapt.
To clarify, I didn’t say that a marraige Amendment would be the defeat of the left-wing but claimed that an Amendment(s) would be nessecary to defeat the left.
The previous marraige Amendment would of been the defeat of left-wing attempts to redefine marraige though but certainly would not have all out defeated the left in pushing for socialist, fascist style government or in pushing perversion upon our children and all of society.
The Amendment in no way claims that the government has any such right as you claim. It only defiines what it is that the government recognizes.
Your push to make it seem as if we should keep our views behind closed doors and never seek federal legislation or Amendments while the leftists run wild is a poor stradegy.
Much of what you post sounds like pro=homosexual agenda propaganda.
Let the perverts serve openly? And if a soldier feels morally opposed to being forced to bunk and shower with these perverts then what do you suggest should happen to that soldier?
Your state solution isn’t practical given that 41 states have passed marriage resolutions and liberal courts have struck them down. The people spoke and the libs did an end run around them.
I think you would agree that we both jumped to conclusions but you admitted you had not seen all the in of about goproud and I thought you were pushing a pro homosexual agenda.
Hope you have a nice weekend and we both know we share the same good traditional values
Actually my post #90 is off being that you also suggest going back to an all out ban on homosexuality in the military which I would support.
I also would hope that you support the ‘right to association’ and that before anything else in regards to homosexuality the government must get out of the business of telling privately owned businesses how they need to treat this issue. Companies should not be punished simply because they oppose having perverts in their privately owned business.
You’re welcome.
Yepper, and not just at CPAC but throughout the Land. Did you ever realize just how infected we've become? The leftists have permeated every sector in our society; it's very disheartening to see. The 'purge' can't come soon enough.
The reason FR is addictive to most Freepers is that we come here seeking information and to exchange ideas about that information. The information is varied, from diverse sources, and the opinions of it are just as varied but with a common conservative undertone. That is valuable to all of us.
I, like most Freepers, want mostly to learn the truth, to have reliable information and honest, considered opinions about that information. That takes some separating the wheat from the chaff but we usually get there.
I don’t want to be wrong. I try not to be wrong, but when I am I want to be corrected so that that will be one less subject about which I am wrong. To paraphrase Mark Twain, It is not so much what we don’t know that gets us in trouble, as it it that which we do “know” that is not true. FR is a great place to get that straightened out.
I look forward to more exchanges with you.
Basically what the left-wing is trying to do is outlaw traditional values. If you are Christian then they want you to keep your views and expressions behind closed doors but if you are a sexual pervert then they want your views and expressions to be held sacred.
The libertarians flank conservatives on the opposite end trying to use limited government arguments to keep us from fighting back.
as I will with you.
got to go and take my kids to their game then get soem drinks in for tonight but have a nice weekend
What an amazing depth of ignorance you have there.
So, Brietbart is for fisting in schools? I never heard that. Cite the article.
So you believe Breitbart should be told, "Piss off, we don't need your help in the media anymore. Take your ACORN-busting network and your exposes on vote fraud elsewhere, we don't need you, queer boy." Enjoy your stay in the Concentration Camp for Conservatives once this country falls to Communism.
You don't have to agree 100% with an ally. That's what your own forces are for.
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