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Dem Pollster - Palin Down 10% To Obama, Romney Even
Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion ^ | 1/19/11 | William A. Jacobson

Posted on 01/20/2011 6:12:46 AM PST by Lakeshark

To read some of the reviews telling Sarah Palin it's over as to any hope of winning a general election, you would think she would be down in the polls versus Obama by an enormous margin, particularly if a poll were taken in the days after the Tucson shooting when the media was in full blame mode tying Palin's electoral map to the shooting.

But if this poll conducted January 9-12 by Greenberg Quinlin Rosner, a Democratic polling firm, for Democracy Corps is accurate, Palin is down 10% among voters and 6% among people who vote in 2010:

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To: Lakeshark

I think the economy is likely to be somewhere muddling in the middle in 2012.


41 posted on 01/20/2011 6:49:00 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: CAluvdubya
I know he's got probs, but he would be a great VP candidate, the way he handles the MSM is a wonder. He would also add creds about budget balancing, the #1 issue.

Reagan picked HW Bush so he could win and could do great things......

42 posted on 01/20/2011 6:50:24 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

How about Palin/Rubio?


43 posted on 01/20/2011 6:50:57 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Lakeshark

If the economy has a comeback by 2012, I doubt Bambi can lose,


I agree that the economy will be a major deciding factor on Obama’s chances. It’s a long way off and they, his handlers/media, have been able to somewhat raise his perception as being on top of things. I’m not sure that will last once a hard campaign gets underway. With luck and a strong opponent I hope we can defeat him at the polls.

Some of the states are beginning to have financial problems that have to be addressed either through raising additional revenue or cutting outflow. In Texas we are seeing cuts/layoffs coming to local ISDs and other agencies as the next two year budget is being developed. Some of that impact I believe will flow into how the Presidential election is decided. We’ll see.


44 posted on 01/20/2011 6:52:53 AM PST by deport
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Well, it's a horse race between the fears Bambi has created and a combo of the normal business cycle and normal creative genius of American entrepreneurs.

If it becomes even slightly better, the MSM will make it seem like we're back in the glory days once again.

We shall see.

45 posted on 01/20/2011 6:53:15 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Pelosi now says the dem RATS stopped unwmployment from reaching 16%...what happened to the 8% they told America which is why the scamulus package needed to be passed a.s.a.p.?

The dems must think we have short memories. WE DON’T!


46 posted on 01/20/2011 6:55:02 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Ev Reeman
Maybe then far left commie loons like Barbra Streisand, Sean Penn, Joy Behar, Bill Maher, Michael Moore and Alec Baldwin would finally make good their threat to leave America for good and never return

Yes, but what would we do without the comedic relief of them squeeling if she took a hunting vacation....

:-)

47 posted on 01/20/2011 6:55:36 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

“They tried to get Reagan to think the same thing. “People think he’s an extremist”, they would say.”

true of the liberal/Democrat elite but Independents just plain old liked the guy. Even Conservative Dems liked him. He was eloquent and cheerful (described once as Barry Goldwater with a smile) known for his roles in movies as usually a good guy and was a successful two term Governor. The media had not and could not destroy him. Palin however is NOT liked by a majority of Independents - the media did a great job of destroying her credibility and i dont know how she comes back from it. She certainly did herself no favors with her Tucson response that is for sure.


48 posted on 01/20/2011 6:55:46 AM PST by DM1
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To: DM1

“She certainly did herself no favors with ...”

That’s ecatly the same kind of thing they said about Reagan when he would speak candidly.

Independents, as we know now “liked the guy”, but that is NOT what the polls were telling people at the time.

Polls are lies, they appeal to your ego and need to know what everyone else is thinking/doing, but you, and the pollsters, do NOT know what people are thinking/doing.

If it were true, democrat pollsters would NOT report it.

Obama had a MILLION crazy things about him, and any reasonable person would have thought him UNELECTABLE outside of Chicago.

But today’s politics is all about upsetting applecarts, and Palin can do that.


49 posted on 01/20/2011 7:00:09 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Capitol Hill operator 866-727-4894 toll free. Just say which Representative/Senator you want to spea)
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To: DM1
She did fine with her response, most people who actually saw her video liked it a lot, even those who didn't like her previously.

The idea that she has been irrevocably stamped with a meme by the MSM is bullcrap. She's been declared dead half a dozen times already, but she keeps getting up and getting better.

Quayle and W never knew how to fight back, Palin does.

50 posted on 01/20/2011 7:01:39 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

What was that democrat congressman saying about tell a lie enough times....


51 posted on 01/20/2011 7:02:02 AM PST by jetson
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To: Ev Reeman
Stopped it from going to 16%, eh? Next Peelousy will say they stopped it from going to 100%. I say they kept it from dropping to 3%. It's as valid a number as the one Peelousy pulled out of thin air.

These people are unbelievable. I know by and large sheeple are stupid, but this one has to raise some flags no matter how intellectually lazy the average sheeple.

52 posted on 01/20/2011 7:02:50 AM PST by chimera
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To: Lakeshark
You must be like 90% of all the other clueless Amerikans.

To begin with, after considering what Geithner and Burn-yank-me have been doing to the National Debt and the Dollar, that alone will destroy any chance for a recovery.

The Debt will top 15 Trillion by the middle of this year, after they vote to raise the debt limit, they already have plans for QE3, and will create another Trillion dollars in the Treasury out of thin air. They will print more worthless cash with which they will give free of charge to the large Corporations already on Welfare. (Most of them) With the rest, they will buy Treasury Bonds from themselves, then sell them to investors and buy them back at a loss. This all leads up to not just losing Reserve Currency status of the Dollar, it also guarantees hyperinflation!

Nothing is being said about this, nor is most of the Publik aware of what all this means. But I assure you, because of this, there will be no recovery by 2012.

53 posted on 01/20/2011 7:07:32 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Lakeshark
Many say Sarah is unelectable. If that is really the case then why aren't the Dems and the MSM publicly encouraging her to run?
54 posted on 01/20/2011 7:09:24 AM PST by drypowder
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To: brownsfan
Palin may not be able to win, but the same can be said for any potential GOP nominee. Nobody is more likely to win than she is and nobody is less likely to win than Mitt Romney.

The left loathes Palin not because she is a mortal threat to the progressive project but because she is the embodiment of one. More and more every day, Palin is the symbol, the mascot (no disrespect intended) of the popular movement to limit federal power and restore constitutional government. If that movement is successful, everything the left has been working on since 1913 will come to nothing, and it may very well prove successful.

A mighty storm is coming. 2010 was just the begining. At the momement we are in a bit of a lull. But soon the wind will kick up and start tearing apart the structures of government our political class takes for granted. The welfare state (starting with Obamacare in accord with the LIFO principle) is going by the boards to be replaced with a genuine safety net for those in dire need. Our regulatory apparatus is going to shrink dramatically. We can't afford these things and so they won't survive the storm.

The Republicans will prosper if they learn how to ride the wind. The last person on earth capable of doing that is Mitt Romney. He's the epitome of the big business sector of the managerial class. Like most of his ilk, big government is part of his natural habitat and he'll never set himself up in opposition to it. Romneycare is a political problem for him in itself, but it is evidence of a much bigger problem. He is inextricably attached to the old order which about to be blown away.

Nominating Romney would be the biggest mistake the GOP has made since 1928, and it has made some whoppers in the last 83 years. Win or lose he'd be a disaster but the disaster would be worse if he won. Republicans would become the face of unsustainable business as usual. Romney is a nonstarter.

The only Republican on the horizon with a chance to ride the wind is Sarah Palin. Maybe someone else can figure out how to do it in the next year or so, but I doubt it. Sarah has all the disadvantages of celebrity, but she has the advantages too. As long as she's the only game in town, she's the game we have to play. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Better a chance, however small, to renew the American Revolution and provide for a better future than the certainty of decline.

If the GOP nominates Romney (or any other conventional Republican)the 2012 election will lose most of its importance. It will become a fight over which party gets to manage our decline (and take the blame for it). Who cares?

55 posted on 01/20/2011 7:27:09 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: brownsfan

I completely understand. Her value may be in running—causing the discussion to question the basic assumptions of liberalism itself. Instead of getting a go-along to get-along Pubbie, maybe we will get someone who can save our country—instead of just delaying its inevitable collapse. I would really prefer a conservative, two-term governor. But Huckabee and Pawlenty have their weaknesses also. And I don’t want another Bush. They had their chance—twice. And we are where we are as a result.


56 posted on 01/20/2011 7:31:11 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Lakeshark

Quayle and W didn’t use Facebook and Twitter. Say what you will about social networking sites, but they have a powerful impact.


57 posted on 01/20/2011 7:34:30 AM PST by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Sounds rather like the Alaskan scenario, doesn’t it?


58 posted on 01/20/2011 7:42:03 AM PST by Apogee
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To: brownsfan
It seems to me, the GOP can alter the course of events in terms of who gets nominated.

The GOP can certainly influence events. This field is a lot different than 2008. One could easily argue that Huckabee is as much the next in line as Romney. Huck also has more upside potential, and has been pretty careful not to make the wrong enemies.

There are a number of establishment candidates who can already dig into the Romney camp (Daniels, Pawlenty). Even if Romney wins NH, that could easily be painted as a home state win, as Clinton successfully did with Tsongas in 1992.

The lesson of 2008 is that down is not necessarily out. McCain played zombie and marched to the convention. 2012 will be a MUCH stronger field, and the dynamics will not play out the same way. You are right, that an establishment anointed candidate is not to be taken lightly.

Long term, our mission is to truly take out the crony elements of the GOP, so we won't have to worry about this in the same way in the future.
59 posted on 01/20/2011 7:46:35 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Apogee

As long as we think it could be murkycow something or another, we’ll count it. Pick a GOP person the dem’s like, and what do you get?


60 posted on 01/20/2011 7:47:11 AM PST by Apogee
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