Posted on 01/18/2011 12:56:18 AM PST by Kevmo
Bump.
Can you summarize the evidence for this with some excerpts? I can barely read the posted article...too long and poorly formatted.
Under the Electoral College system, according to election laws in every state, Electors from each state are only qualified by the Constitution to cast votes for President and Vice President. They do not participate in certifying the eligibility of the candidates prior to the election. Inexplicably, the certification of each candidate’s eligibility falls under the autonomous authority of each candidate’s state and national affiliated political party authority, while the approval of the candidate’s placement on each state’s ballot then becomes the responsibility of the Chief Elections Officer of each state. The state’s electors must rely on the relationship between these authoritative bodies to review qualifications, certify the legal eligibility of each candidate and approve ballot placement of each candidate nominated by each qualified party.
It is Cronin’s (the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer) Constitutional authority to oversee elections in the state of Hawaii under the advisement of the Election Commission. It is his responsibility to maximize registration, equalize registration among districts; and maintain data related to registration, elections, districting and apportionment; educate the public on voting and elections; set up procedures and rules governing elections per HRS 11, AR 91 and Arts. II & IV of the U.S. Constitution.
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The Key Point is this paragraph!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cronin does not have the authority to certify the Constitutional eligibility of a candidate, however, his most powerful authority is his ability, according to HRS 11-113, to mediate conflict over eligibility and, as a result of mediation, officially approve candidates for placement on the state’s ballot even when the state party’s vetting authority refuses to certify the legal qualifications of that candidate.
As absurd as this seems...it actually happened in Hawaii in 2008.
Thank you greatly for this Excellent Article that clearly defines the Massive Fraud that Obozo, his Puppeteers and the entire DNC have Perpetrated on America and Our Constitution! No wonder that Obozo bows deeply to every Tin Hat Dictator! They know he is a Fraud and are using that against the Kenyan Village Idiot........:-(
There he was yesterday kissing the shoes of China’s Premier!m
‘THE O CON.’
How perfect.
“What does Obama have over her?”
Citizenship fraud committeed by Hawaii over decades. They used to register foreign births in Hawaii giving babies born in Timbucktu a COLB, certificate of live birth. That was all you needed to get U.S. Citizenship. It is thought that Obama - even if he was born in Hawaii, has an address listed as a place of birth which is exactly how an untold number of foreign parents would register their foreign children. Therefore Obama can’t prove he was born on the Islands.
Hawaii did that systematically for decades. It got them higher population numbers to qualify for more Fed. dollars for schools vaccinations, and of course welfare.
So... Hawaii is covering up Welfare fraud as well.
Yea, Hawaii is covering its own arse MORE than it’s covering OholyO’s. That is saying something. Anyway, this is my opinion, and of course a theory. Until those records appear, we will not know for sure.
One thing I DO know, Hawaii should be thoroughly investigated for Citizenship fraud.
Hey there, you seen anything on Hollister yet? I don’t know where to look for that committee meeting information on the SCOTUS site.....
What in the hell was she doing during all of this chicanery?
She said she had her health department director release a statement on Obama's place of birth during the campaign, which was a lie. There was a statement about the existence of an original birth certificate, yet it came only four or five days prior to the election (as in too little too late).
What does Obama have over her?
Could be any number of things. Obama was involved in the resolution to endorse McCain's eligibility for president. McCain probably saw this as a quid pro quo. Lingle may have laid off as a favor to McCain. Obama's birth records could indicate a systemic vital records problem for the state of Hawaii, which would be an embarrasment for Lingle. Plus, Obama may have agreed to funnel federal funds to Hawaii in exchange for the suppression of his records. These are just a few motivating factors, plus Lingle and Obama have known to be friendly together too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your summary seems to indicate that the Democrat Party of Hawaii never certified Obama, but the Chief Elections Officer put him on the ballot anyway. Did I get that right?
I agree Obama will almost certainly not be able to run for re-election. He'll be challenged on eligibility grounds in many states and the public is a lot more educated on the process this time. If even a single challenge succeeds in requiring objective proof of eligibility and he is unable to provide it, he'll go down and take all his propagandists and enablers with him. They will not let that happen.
........his most powerful authority is his ability, according to HRS 11-113, to mediate conflict over eligibility and, as a result of mediation, officially approve candidates for placement on the state’s ballot even when the state party’s vetting authority refuses to certify the legal qualifications of that candidate.
Cronin says, "You be on the ballot," you more or less be on the ballot.
But now I am curious. Did they have a hearing, or not? What exactly was the "mediation," if any?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Doesn't it look like that second mysterious OCON with the bogus last line addition, may have been issued to meet a requirement that may have come out of this apochryphal hearing? (Which may or may not have ever occurred.)
It would have given Cronin some justification for placing The Mombasa Moonbeam on the ballot! Where the hell is Orly Taitz when I need her?
If you recall Obama extended his stay an extra day to the beginning of the week. This allowed Cornin to access the office during normal business hours. I suspect Obama just made reference to his online COLB posted by Factcheck.org and stated that 49 other states had accepted it as proof of meeting eligibility requirements, so why not Hawaii? I would be curious who accompanied the imposter on that trip. Someone from Perkins Coie pe3rhaps?
I particularly loved this comment...
“He doesn’t have a lot of personal legal issues, which is a good thing, I guess,” Corley also told the Legal Times. “I hope it stays that way.””
http://www.perkinscoie.com/news/news_detail.aspx?news=720
I had questions regarding who specifically is supposed to provide the affidavit required by Hawaii law, so I contacted the Hawaii Dept of Elections, who told me to speak with Aaron Schulaner, Deputy AG who counsels the DOE. I asked him specifically who is referred to in the law - the “appropriate authority” from the state party, or the national party? He said it doesn’t matter which party gives the certification of Constitutional eligibility, as long as somebody does it.
So it’s not really accurate to say that the law says the STATE party has to do it. The law is unclear as to who has to do it, and the Deputy AG says they don’t care who does it, as long as it gets done.
The part about when the state and national party disagree doesn’t say anything about them disagreeing on the ELIGIBILITY of the candidates. It just says that if the state and national parties disagree on the candidates. Neither the state nor the national party is supposed to nominate a candidate who isn’t eligible. If the state party was saying that the national candidate is not eligible, then they could not nominate that candidate for their party.
Maybe that’s the rub. The Hawaii Democratic Party never did say that Obama/Biden was THEIR candidate, as required by law. But that would mean the HDP never even offered THEIR candidate, so the fulfillment for the name to be on the ballot was never met. And there would be no disagreement between the state and national party so Cronin would have no legal basis to put Obama’s name on the ballot.
The only way to know exactly what happened is to get all the records from the Hawaii DOE - all the communications they sent out to Obama, etc. Based on my experiences with Hawaii officials, they may or may not tell the truth. They may or may not falsify the documents.
The absence of the DOE date stamp on the OCON’s is troubling. That date is important as proof that the documents were submitted on time. And Hawaii actually had a lawsuit and big stink about exactly when the documents were filed in a different case; can’t remember the details right now. But the DOE should have known that documentation of the exact date and even exact time (which is what the previous stink came down to, the exact time of day, IIRC) is critical. For them to not stamp it at all is definitely problematic.
This article claims that there is documented proof that Pelosi’s OCON for Hawaii was signed later than the other OCON’s. But the notary signed it on the same day as the other one, so I don’t know how that claim has been proven.
All in all, though, there are enough discrepancies that the issue should be investigated by people with the power to subpoena and take depositions. There is no legally valid documentation that either Obama or the HDOH could have shown anybody so there is no way that anybody ever even checked him out. The HDOH has confirmed that nobody at the HDP or DNC even asked to see his birth records or to receive a letter of verification of his birth facts. So every OCON was a fraud.
The fact that the HDP never said Obama was their candidate as required by law and the fact that the DOE never date-stamped the OCON’s suggests that both of them knew more than they are letting on, and THAT should be the subject of a legal investigation, just as Pelosi’s perjury should be.
It is thought that Obama - even if he was born in Hawaii, has an address listed as a place of birth which is exactly how an untold number of foreign parents would register their foreign children. Therefore Obama can’t prove he was born on the Islands.
So do you suspect the address that was used in the Obama birth announcements (6085 Kalanianaole Hwy.) has been used multiple times to register/record other births that may have never taken place in Hawaii?
‘THE O CON.’
How perfect.
Maybe an annual convention will get established. It could be in “O”rlando at the “O”-Dome.
I have no idea. I am willing to bet there are a few addresses that don’t actually exist that were used. But there is no way for me to even guess. This is just one of many reasons Hawaii should be investigated. They deserve it for one, and secondly, there are a lot of people who have citizenship who do not deserve it. This is something that caused Puerto Rico to have to re-issue ALL of their birth certificates just a couple years ago. Its a big deal.
Did I get that right?
Correct...thus the reason for the need for “mediation” which allowed Obama to get on the ballot against the wishes of the DPH, based purely on the decision of one individual(Cronin). We’ve heard about the SOS (Secretary of States) Project that Soros was pursuing. You want a bet he isn’t also involved in getting sympathetic candidates for the various states’ election commissions elected as well, do you?
“Hey there, you seen anything on Hollister yet?”
Denied again.
The trouble is that Abercrombie probably has a forgery ready for any challenge. The only way the truth can be known is if the transaction logs for the records are required to be disclosed. We already know there was funny business with his passport - which wouldn’t show up by him just showing his passport, but only by seeing the transaction log that shows what was done to his file, when, and by whom.
What really NEEDS to happen is for states to pass an eligibility bill similar to the one I proposed at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2656925/posts
Somebody expressed concern that the “birther” stuff could take the focus off of getting Obama defeated. I believe that the next month will tell us whether the people who have wondered about Obama’s eligibility are all talk, or whether they truly care about this country and this issue. Because right now is when we need to be bombarding our state legislators with requests to pass legislation like that in the link above.
We’ve talked the talk. Now it’s time to walk the walk. We all wanted something we could do, and tsk-tsked over our being left out of the process. Well, now we can do something. Tsk-tsking and research have taken us as far as they can get us; now is the time for actual action. As Scripture says, it isn’t the person who SAYS he will go work in the field who counts, but the one who actually DOES it. We NEED to rally the troops to contact their state legislators. That’s the activity that Obama’s handlers can’t censor, and the very activity that will bring back the rule of law.
If what Tim Adams (did I get his name right?) said is correct, the DOE officials had some reason to check whether Obama had a valid HI BC. And they knew he didn’t.
That also needs to be investigated.
This scenario would explain why DOE officials knew that, and would answer critics who say that the DOE would only care or know whether Obama had a valid BC if he was a Hawaii VOTER, which he wasn’t.
If the DOE people told Tim Adams that Obama had no valid HI BC based on facts rather than on just common understanding or gossip, then the DOE DID do its own checking on Obama’s documentation, which wouldn’t seem necessary if they only went by the state and national OCON’s.
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