Posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
For reasons clear to no one just yet, Hawaii's new Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has gone public with his desire to silence the so-called "birthers" with proof of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth.
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"
A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."
Although the major media have questioned why Abercrombie would raise an issue that, according to the Los Angeles Times, "most people see as resolved," they take Abercrombie at his word as to what he knows about the young Obama family.
They shouldn't. Abercrombie's boasts about his relationship with the president's presumed parents, Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham, have got to unnerve the president and his close advisors. They know something the media perversely choose not to know: Abercrombie is remembering a past that never happened.
A member of the House's progressive caucus before his election as governor, Abercrombie has been talking excitedly about the relationship for years, playing John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.
"Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii." If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.
As is thoroughly documented, Ann and little Barry were in Seattle two weeks later, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. By the time she returned to Hawaii in late summer or fall 1962, Barack Sr. had left for Harvard for good.
Citing Abercrombie as source, a 2007 Hawaii TV news report claimed that Ann "became estranged from her husband, Barack Obama[,] Sr., after his departure for Harvard." I don't know about Hawaii, but in Missouri, if you flee your husband with baby in tow two weeks after his birth, that qualifies as "estrangement."
According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann married in Wailuku, Maui on February 2, 1961. But one has to wonder whether it was a marriage in anything but name, or whether there was a marriage at all. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."
No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Neil's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. When Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his putative wife and 6-year-old son.
The 17-year-old Ann had met the 24 year-old Barack Sr. in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Why they were studying Russian (in 1960, people like Lee Harvey Oswald studied Russian) is a question for another day. In Dreams, Ann provides only the sketchiest detail of their first date -- Barack Sr. came an hour late and with friends -- and nothing more.
A high school friend of Ann's claims to have received a letter or two from Ann in which she spoke about Barack Sr., and there is no reason to doubt her. But beyond this, there is no evidence of a relationship, and the only evidence for the marriage are the divorce papers, which are real and have been posted online.
One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper. By claiming a Maui wedding, and perhaps even attaining a Maui license, the Dunhams could have assured the baby an identity without drawing attention to the relationship.
If Obama had, in fact, been born out of wedlock, or if his father had been someone other than Barack Sr., that would not have affected Obama's eligibility for higher office, but it would have surely de-glamorized him. "Barry Dunham" does not exactly tease the imagination.
Whatever his contribution, Obama Sr. lent young Barry a name, an identity, and a romantic storyline. Obama's mother and grandparents sustained this narrative throughout Obama's childhood.
Barack Obama repeated this story in his memoir Dreams from My Father, and to good effect. When Obama hooked up with campaign guru David Axelrod in his 2004 race for the U.S. Senate, his story crystallized into a marketing strategy. In the retelling, little Barry is always two years old when Barack Sr. reluctantly leaves wife and son for Harvard. This is a lie.
Guided by Axelrod, Obama held off in his breakthrough keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention for all of 46 words -- including "Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much" -- before sharing his story with the world.
At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence. "Four years ago," he began, "I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."
In between the two convention speeches, the story of Obama's birth was told more often than that of anyone's since Jesus. No one, of course, told it as convincingly as Obama himself, especially in his game-saving Philadelphia speech, immodestly titled "A More Perfect Union."
In this speech, delivered to negate the baleful impact of the Jeremiah Wright videos, Obama attributed his faith in the American people to his "own American story." He reminded those few registered voters who might somehow have forgotten that "I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas." Although the proto-hippie Ann spent her formative teen years in Seattle, the storyline always places her in Kansas.
Obama and his operatives would invest enormous political capital in what sympathetic biographer David Remnick calls his "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal." From the beginning, they worked hard to protect the investment and did what they had to do to keep the storytellers in line.
Abercrombie may not have gotten the memo. Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.
The truth is that the storied little family never lived together. Any fact that blew the storyline could have derailed Obama's candidacy before it got going. Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.
I ask you again; how many times have you posted this same crap over and over on these threads, and what’s your real agenda?
Moreover why are you investing sooooo much time in preventing your illegal alien in the W.H. to show his real b.c. that the rest of us must present frequently??
Who is paying for your time???
BTW the b.c. is nothing but a distraction and red herring, because even IF he was born in the Lincoln Bedroom, he would never be a NBC if Obama Sr. is the sperm donor!!!
Do you know hpw long it’s been there? My Wife pointed it out and I guess since I’ve seen it so many times on FR, it just didn’t phase me.
NOT that I agree with such rumors, but it's possible that most D.A.s, at any level, may believe that.
So..... since the liklihood of an official grand jury is between 0 and NONE, therefore, this political scandal will never be presented to any grand jury at any time, right?
When I first read about this alleged incident, it was on a thread of years back where a main topic of discussion was that Ann had delivered Barry in an unwed mother's home located in British Columbia and that she left immediately thereafter, went to Washington, Susan had her over, and that the birthdate given by his grandmother to the Hawaii authorities isn't even the correct day -- that he'd have been born within ten days of Susan seeing him & his mom the first time.
That's how I recall what I read YEARS back -- and therefore, I'm positive, plenty of the above is inaccurate, but you get the general idea, I hope.... that Stanley Ann was a DAYS-old mother for the very first time.
Evidentally she'd never ever babysat any infants or young toddlers and knew nothing about diapering.
Others may recall the precise thread where I read the hypothesis about Baraq's CANADIAN birthplace.
I really like Jack Cashill, and I'm glad that he's covering this; however, I disagree that this "Abercrombie Fuss" will just fade away.
I believe that Abercrombie is following distinct, precise 'marching orders,' and that there is a plot afoot by BHO hero worshippers who connive to keep him in office, and if not, to at least keep the Long Form TRUTH from ever seeing the light of day.
The one thing good about this incident is that it appears that the BHO-Dems are aware that there IS, repeat: *IS* public information, somewhere, somewhere there is accessible information which would prove the Birthers to be RIGHT.
Elsewise, they'd never have to connive & plot & conspire with Neil Abercrombie.
I suspect that they are deeply worried about something..... elsewise, WHY have the MSM and the likes of Chrissy Matthews spittle on & on & on about Baraq's birth certificate?
It doesn't make sense, BOTH Neil and Chrissy are in 'tingly' adoration of BHO.
Something that has me wondering, when and why did BO’s mother die?
Never mind. I got it.
The classic post to self following a post to all - nice ;)
LOL! I also “bump to myself.” I think that may be naughty, but I’m not tech savvy enough to be sure...
Absolutely **NO* NO**NO** mother left the hospital unable to care for her baby. That included diaper changing.
Stanley Ann's so-called “friend”, and her bogus story about Stanley Ann being unable to change a diaper, is a great big pile of Marxist, Alinsky, DemocRAT baby poop!
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Absolutely **NO* NO**NO** mother left the hospital unable to care for her baby. That included diaper changing.
Stanley Ann's so-called "friend", and her bogus story about Stanley Ann being unable to change a diaper, is a great big pile of Marxist, Alinsky, DemocRAT baby poop!" <<<<
Thanks, wintertime --- frankly, among all of the women I've ever met, there are absolutely NO women born in the 1930s/1940s/ and the first half or so of the 1950s who did not know precisely how to diaper a baby, say, by the age of 8, at the latest.
YOU may have run across a few who had to be taught how to care for a baby, but most girls of those decades cared for their younger siblings and/or had many babysitting jobs and/or attending strict Home Economics classes for years where such knowledge was mandatory.
The ONLY reason I can give Stanley Ann's girlfriend ANY credence is that she has a couple weirdos for parents, and she had NO siblings. The one nanny job, in Chicago, when Ann was around 16 years of age - there's no mention of any babies associated with that job.
So..... it isn't entirely impossible to me that MAYBE there were as many as 2-percent of only-child females who were clueless as to how to care for an infant, and that Stanley Ann could be a candidate for same --- and besideswhich, IF she gave birth in an unwed mothers maternity home in British Columbia, perhaps she intended to give Baby Barry up for adoption, and after the birth, had second thoughts, so snuck into the nursery, grabbed her baby, and RAN back to the USA.
Do you have any hypotheses about that unreleased BC? What would that BC tell us about Barry? Where is the ORIGINAL BC located, the one that would have been sealed when Lolo Soetoro adopted him?
If you have time, take a look at the source I mentioned. There is substantial evidence that the microfilm which shows the birth announcements is forged.
” Excuse my ignorance, please.... but who would ever call such a grand jury? “
I am not a lawyer, but, many of my friends and family members are.
Being involved in the judicial system on a daily basis perhaps gives them a more jaundiced view of the system
and what is and isn’t possible.
We’ve had many discussions about Barry’s sealed birth certificate ,
which were very lively back in 2008,
when they all believed the media reports that
Barry had actually produced a birth certificate.
It was too unbelievable to think otherwise.
Every one is now up to speed, unlike the media
and the majority of conservative radio hosts and talkers.
Every single one believes that the President of the United States
is hiding something ,
which is what most logical people would surmise.
And they are still dumbfounded that it has gotten so little
media attention from the right .
I often get emails from them via their home computers , with the latest info on the situation ,
usually a week later than it appears here.
With many Ccs , so the news is definitely viral.
Having said that- not a single one of them believes any judge will touch any of these lawsuits with a 10 foot pole.
It’s been described as a “ political hot potato “ that no judge wants to get entangled with.
Their name and reputation will be unfairly dragged through the mud by the left and the media
and no doubt their family threatened and career ruined.
One buddy said the only judge he could imagine taking this case
would be a 90 yr old with terminal cancer
and no living relatives.
The only court that might take this up may be the court of public opinion and until the right wing media grows a spine,
it won’t happen.
Chris Matthews, FreeRepublic ,
WND and the American Thinker can’t do it by themselves.
Source please.
Why not? Hawaii wasn't the deep south. It already had a large population of mixed race people at the time. Plus she hung with a multi-racial leftist crowd of students at the University. What makes you think they would have a problem with a mulatto baby?
I am still very suspicious of why anyone on MSNBC is giving the BC any airtime whatsoever -- so until we know further, I will consider that there is a nefarious plot afoot.
Interesting that so many libs you know believe that only a very old judge with severe terminal cancer would ever touch this case.
Pathetic.
Source.. ?? !!!!!!!
You ain't heard THAT before?
OMG, you've gots LOTS of interesting material to read all about BHO's childhood.
LOL
There are FIVE different sources listed at the wikipedia entry for Stanley Ann, and there are at least a dozen threads HERE at Free Republic where the "Can't even diaper a baby" despiction of BHO's mom has been discussed, again & again & again & AGAIN for 1000s upon 1000s of pages/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
......On August 4, 1961, at the age of 18, Dunham gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II.[18] Friends in Washington State recall her visiting with her month-old baby in 1961.[19][20][21][22][23] By January 1962, she had enrolled at the University of Washington, and was living as a single mother in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle with her son while her husband continued his studies in Hawaii.[13][20][24][25][26]
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