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EPA Fraud: Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf Actually Get Only 23, 25 MPG
Pajamas Media ^ | November 30, 2010 | Chris J Kobus

Posted on 11/30/2010 10:30:26 AM PST by jazusamo

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1 posted on 11/30/2010 10:30:29 AM PST by jazusamo
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The EPA numbers are always bogus. The Prius got far less in actual driving than the sticker. Everyone rails on big cars being gas guzzlers. My Town Car gets between 20-24 in normal driving. I can carry 6 people and have a real trunk. Plus I don't look like a pansy heading down the road. EPA plays games to achieve an outcome they desire.


2 posted on 11/30/2010 10:35:36 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Driving is Prius is gay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP-tyvBGla4&feature=related


3 posted on 11/30/2010 10:41:08 AM PST by Signalman
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To: jazusamo

Never saw a chevy volt on the road.

See a lot of Prius, though.

They look like a tuna fish can with shopping cart wheels. What a piece of junk. Despise them.


4 posted on 11/30/2010 10:41:08 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook

Agree...Obama & Co are trying their best to force electric cars on us, I’m not going for them at all.


5 posted on 11/30/2010 10:47:11 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

With apologies to whoever wrote Star Trekking Across the Universe:

Ye....can nae break the laws of physics,
laws of physics,
laws of physics.
Ye can nae break the laws of physics, Captain.


6 posted on 11/30/2010 10:48:47 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (The more the plans fail the more the planners plan - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jazusamo

My 1993 Taurus gets a solid 31 on the highway, going 55.


7 posted on 11/30/2010 10:50:46 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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EPA: An unelected, flunky bureaucracy populated with radical, no-growth, Marxist, environmental nut-jobs wielding rogue powers based in junk science. A cancer on the private sector. Ultimately, the EPA is not about the environment. It is about legislating from the Executive Branch in Soviet Agency style. It has the convenient unconstitutional feature of allowing the Obama Administration to pursue an extreme global warming agenda, to make energy prices necessarily sky-rocket, and gain sweeping regulatory control over the US economy without a politically difficult vote in congress.

... and the EPA also lies.

8 posted on 11/30/2010 10:53:35 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: steelyourfaith

Well said! The new House needs to defund the EPA as much as possible.


9 posted on 11/30/2010 10:56:54 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: steelyourfaith

back in Oct 2001 when 9/11 had all but shut down spending and NO new auto dealerships were getting out cars, GM actually did somehing smart - they brought on 0% financing for new cars. I worked for GMAC Commercial and we bought a 2002 SR1 Saturn 3 door. 9 Years later, we have just over 100,000 miles on it and it has gotten up to 40 mpg on the highway and OVER 30 mpg in the city. When Obama refused to let Penske buy the Saturn brand because he limited their profit margin to less than 14% and Penske backed out, this showed me just how stupid and uncaring Obama is towards what is best for America’s economy!


10 posted on 11/30/2010 10:59:53 AM PST by princess leah
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To: Lazlo in PA

We’ve had 2 priuses. 1 got more than the sticker and the newer one gets sticker.

My husband can get the newer one to get over sticker if he doesn’t use the A/C or the heater and drives mainly on the freeway. However, he really doesn’t care to get over sticker so he doesn’t drive that way.


11 posted on 11/30/2010 11:07:25 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: jazusamo
may well be environmentally worse than just burning gasoline, and is definitely worse than burning diesel.

Cars that have diesel engines always seem to be the best in terms of gas mileage, I don't understand why there wasn't a big push to go this route instead of loading up with an extra system to make it inherently more inefficient than a single-system car.

12 posted on 11/30/2010 11:07:38 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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The Prius' debris on the road after a snow storm is indicative of another problem. When the wheels spin the car shuts down. When our roads get slick they can be seen abandoned all over the place waiting for the sun to free them.

Most people I know of who own the things either go nowhere when roads are slick or have another "real" vehicle to drive.

Still, they are big money makers for Toyota. Many people seem to drive them to make a statement.

13 posted on 11/30/2010 11:08:15 AM PST by Baynative (on to 2012)
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To: jazusamo

If I’m reading this correctly, the electric coal plant is 33% efficient and it will take the Volt in full electric mode the equivalent of 3 gallons of gas to go 93 miles. That’s equivalent to 31 mpg which is slightly less than my 96 Saturn gets.


14 posted on 11/30/2010 11:11:13 AM PST by MulberryDraw
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You must live in the flat lands. Eastern PA is nothing but hills and curves and everyone I know with one griped that they couldn’t get sticker in normal driving. Their normal driving is 85 year old lady in comparison to me. I am pedal down all the time and I haven’t turned the climate control off since I bought it years ago.


15 posted on 11/30/2010 11:23:06 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: MulberryDraw
If I’m reading this correctly, the electric coal plant is 33% efficient

That's before line losses. Not sure how much that is, but assuming (for example) it's 5% then actual efficienty is more like 28% rather than 33%. Line losses are probably much higher than that.

16 posted on 11/30/2010 11:23:30 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: MulberryDraw

That’s about right the way I read it. I’m curious to know the maintenance cost and depreciation of these cars, like 5 to seven years down the road. I’d bet they won’t be close to gas powered ones.


17 posted on 11/30/2010 11:25:48 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: MulberryDraw

I meant gas powered being a better value.


18 posted on 11/30/2010 11:27:45 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

“Lumpy”, our 1996 VW Passat TDI (turbodiesel) Wagon, just turned 309,000 miles this morning.

We get 39-41 MPG for mixed suburban-city driving, and 46-51 MPG for pure highway driving (cruising at 70-85 MPH).

Electric cars? We don’t need no stinkin’ electric cars.


19 posted on 11/30/2010 11:27:45 AM PST by paterfamilias
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My family is the nemesis of the enviro-weenies!

My family travels around in a Ford Excursion with a big-ole’ 7.3L Powerstroke Diesel engine! It is a 2001 and has just over 202,000 miles! We get 19-20 MPG at 70 MPH, but we can get 24-25 MPG at 60 MPH!

Best part, we can carry EIGHT people (VERY comfortably), 6-8 pieces of luggage, a large ice chest and it rides like a dream! Heck, if I wanted, I could add another 6-8 pieces of luggage on the roof-rack and tow just about anything with wheels (LOL)!

I plan on driving this thing for the rest of my life! I love it, my wife (all 5’ 2” of her) loves it and even my kids think it is great! They can stretch out and still be comfy!


20 posted on 11/30/2010 11:36:55 AM PST by ExTxMarine ("Convictions are more dangerous to truth than lies." ~ F. Nietzsche)
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