Posted on 11/29/2010 3:41:40 PM PST by bilhosty
Just pinging a few names on the thread to Seizethecarp’s comment. I saw Joe Baron the first time he made comments and he stunk like a liar to me.
I’m not going to believe Ulsterman’s stories as they simply seem preposterous. Should Ulsterman wish to name his source, then I may reconsider.
People look like fools by slavering over the content, when it appears to have been written to appeal to an Obama hating audience.
I’ll wait until we know more.
I just saw this post. I am going to share my experience at AGM’s site. Getting it together now.
I’m not saying, nor is Seizethecarp, that the insider and Ulsterman are honest and truthful and/or even exist; but that Joe Baron is certainly not an honest well-wisher of conservatives.
If Ulsterman is a figment of someone’s imagination, it does not stand that therefore Joe Baron is a trustworthy honest whistleblower! In fact, Baron is more patently a liar than Ulsterman, whose veracity or even existence is unproven.
Baron’s falsity seems obvious.
I’m openminded to more evidence whatever it shows.
I am going to disagree (respectfully). I don’t know Joe, the only interaction I have had with him are the few exchanges we have had on FR.
After reading what he had to say and going back & looking at Ulsterman’s posts, Anthony G Martin’s posts and many posts in FR I posted this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2631804/posts?page=23#23
To: JoeBaron; maggief; TommyDale; All
My own opinion FWIW (not much).
I agree with Joe Baron on several points. Ulsterman is a scam, We have been had. We suspected it, but it was a fun ride.
I also agree this isn’t about politics. Ulsterman used politics as a way of getting hits from us (and other conservative sites) It takes legwork, but after a while, one begins to see a pattern if you will of how ulsterman and other triond members spread through the web pimping their own articles and the other articles of others. Once you figure that out, you can go back through the threads and see how unsuspecting posters are drawn into the web. It might not pay the mortgage, but it could be good pocket change.
There is more than one way to pimp a blog. But I am not the blog police, I’ll leave that to someone else. :-)
23 posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2010 12:43:43 PM by Protect the Bill of Rights
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More to follow.......
HA!!
I see I’m not the only one who’s sick of the never-ending TV rants. That thing is like a spam email that keeps popping up, no matter what you do.
The Forehead... Paul Begala
Thats my guess.
It was not a continuous conversation, but remarks made over 3 days.
According to a poster on Free Republic, Mr. Martin is on record as saying it does not matter if articles are fabricated as long as the substance is true.
The poster backs up the assertion up with sourced quotes and links from Martin himself, not a mysterious insider.
Martin's own words back up what Sam says.
Actually, I said that if it turns out Ulsterman created WH insider in as a composite of several sources he knows inside the WH, then it doesn't matter as long as the substance of the CONTENT is true. So don't take what I said out of context. This will get you tagged by Examiner and deleted. You can't come here and spread lies about me and get away with it, period. And, that stuff that got deleted? That is a perfect case in point. Lies and personal attacks are not tolerated here, not by me and not be Examiner. So get lost.
Your words:
“..As I stated in my previous message to you, which apparently you did not read, it does not matter if Ulsterman and the insider are creations of someone. The substance of their claims so far have been confirmed. And I can tell you there is MUCH more to come. Others besides anonymous sources can do investigations, you know...and there is a bombshell on the way when it all comes together in a form that can be reported.....”
This isn't about you or ulsterman. It is about the truth. No one can make an educated, informed judgment unless they are presented with facts (as opposed to opinions and/or rumors presented as facts). If I decide to take the word of someone, it would not be someone speaking the above words.
I asked about a sourced quote I read on Free Republic.
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/breaking-deep-throat-warns-reporter-of-danger-ahead
Accusing me of taking it out of context or spreading lies is not how one stands behind his words.
“Get lost?” Yeah, Like that will happen.
Remember the True/False tests from our schooldays? My teachers always told us if part of the statement was false, the entire statement is false. I apply that to real life.
[nb: at this point, the brains of the operations take over]
then u r a fool!
‘The sky is blue, and the sky is falling.’
Using your ‘logic,’ the entire statement is false because the latter phrase is false. So that means the sky is not blue.
Case settled. Ur an idiot.
“The sky is blue and the sky is falling.”
“AND” is the operative word.
One statement asserting 2 events are facts.
The statement is false because even though the sky is blue, it is not falling.
complete b.s. ur nutz
Mr. Martin, will confirm that when one part of a statement is false, the statement is false.
TRUTHalert offered the following statement as proof I was an idiot (yawn).
“The sky is blue and the sky is falling.”
How would you answer that question on a true/false test. No Maybe’s. :-)
I maintain the statement is false because even though the sky is blue, the sky is not falling.
He seems to think that the statement is true because even though the sky is not falling, the sky is blue.
It may seem like a nit-picking trivial issue, but it is one of the tools each of us has when judging the words of anyone =============== One more post to follow
Repost, (since I was pinged this thread, too).
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On the net, I won’t take anyone at their word. Through research I look for evidence to support or refute one’s claims. There is NO evidence that suggests UM and his “insider” are legit ... zip, zero, nada. He hasn’t scooped any news, and was dead wrong regarding Pelosi.
“Was told” UM’s fb has over 1,500 followers, FReepers incluced, offering plenty of opportunities and leads. Interestingly, UM seemingly pimped for ‘birther’ analogies and supporting links, then deleted the thread and comments before the release a new UM ‘birther’ report ... so “I hear.”
Though NOT CONCLUSIVE, Joe Baron offers some compelling arguments, some of which check out. There is other evidence that supports his claims, which I am not going to post. This is not about the personality, it’s about facts. Did he pose himself using an alias? Yes. Are some of his claims legit? Yes.
There are also FReepers pushing the UM hoax. I won’t elaborate, but it is not too difficult to decipher the connections. Posers? Blog pimps? Gamers? You decide.
I will divulge that ptbor and I did research on developments in the NBP voter intimidation case and USCCR Commissioner Yaki. Shortly thereafter, details were posted on UM’s fb, his source ... “was told.” “Was told” by whom, his “insider?” NOPE. It first appeared on FR, ... researched on FR. (I checked before posting.)
I also investigated a BO quote UM cited in an article he wrote pertaining to BO’s Asian trip. When the article was posted that quote showed up NOWHERE on the net, (except some random blog in NC or SC.) Why? Because, it was fiction.
The red warning flags are flying ...
JMO.
So why would Martin delete those posts?
Because I stated a truth and asked him to confirm it. Deleting my comments is not what a man standing beside his word does. If he answered truthfully, he was done.
I cannot tell anyone else what to believe and what to accept as fact. I have never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the FreeRepublic drawer. But the last thing we need at FR are articles contaminating the work many do when trying to get at the truth.
Once one looks at the pattern, it is easy to tell the honest posters from Martin's blog pimps. Martin/Welshman007/Ulsterman (imho) not only has his pimps on FR, but all over the web. It is a scam which has developed over time. These so called commentators belong at a tabloid website, not on FreeRepublic.
For emphasis: I am NOT painting all blogs with the same brush. Just this particular group who seem to have turned it into a fine art. These are the types of things that feed the left when they try to make a case to regulate the Internet.
Too much is on the line. North Korea is getting ready to explode. Our economic situation is getting worse, instead of better. Someone is leaking Defense Department and State Department secrets all over the place.
Hmmm ... "fake but accurate". NOPE!
THANK YOU!!!!! I have been trying to remember that phrase for days.
“Though NOT CONCLUSIVE, Joe Baron offers some compelling arguments, some of which check out. There is other evidence that supports his claims, which I am not going to post. This is not about the personality, it’s about facts. Did he pose himself using an alias? Yes. Are some of his claims legit? Yes.”
I’m on record supporting everything you say, including that my claims are not conclusive. I believe that what I said is correct and I’m certain of my claims, but one has to accept these things for themselves with a little faith and common sense, and I readily admit that I used an alias to try to discredit the Insider articles before posting any legitimate research. If anybody judged me for that action, I understand, but I didn’t mean for anybody to read the “Joe Baron” article.
It’s been a very strange ride and Mr. Martin looks to be in panic mode. Let me also say, in case it was in doubt, that if a liberal comes along creating fake sources in a similar manner, I will do the exact same thing and make an effort to expose them. There’s just no place for this kind of thing in politics.
“First you admit to posting a totally fraudulent story about Ulsterman to generate blog hits. Then you post a “true” story claiming AGM is Ulsterman...but you tell us there is no proof of this, just your supposition that AGM is pimping his blog just as you have admitted doing”
That’s where you’ve got it wrong. Well, you’ve got most of it wrong, but what you’ve ESPECIALLY got wrong is that I wrote a fraudulent story to generate blog hits. That’s not true. I wrote a fraudulent story for a number of reasons, one of them was to convince Ulsterman readers that Ulsterman was a fraud, and another was to see what I could get away with publishing on Newsflavor and elsewhere on the internet. All of this process is detailed in the article “Triond and the Lie Machine.”
But this really isn’t about me and I don’t know why you’re trying to shift the attention to me. Is this thread about me? No, it’s about Ulsterman. What’s funny is that I didn’t post a link to my articles in this thread but you DID and then you accuse me of trying to promote my articles. Does that make any sense to anybody? Of course not.
I rest my case.
Good catch BUMP!
Lots of FReepers have egg on their faces for believing the supposed “White House Insider” tales even after respected posters pointed out that Leftists don’t converse in the manner used by the “anonymous source.”
This thing is over.
Dead.
Gullible people swallowed internet garbage because they *wanted* to believe that their was someone objective in the White House.
Utter fiction.
I have not seen anything we don’t already know or suspect in UM’s “insider information.”
We all knew speculation was that Nan would be out. Surprise, she stayed! We all know Obama is going to face investigations from the next Congress and we know about his shady mortgage business in Chicago. I don’t know which crime they will follow on Obama. We know the media ran Obam bam’s campaign for him. We know the media hyped McCain, the “maverick” like they ALWAYS do. This is not inside info.
This is political spin or commentary that anyone who reads the news could create. No inside info. at all.
This should be post of the month!!!
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