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The Times Favorite 'Conservative' David Frum Knocks Uneducated Palin and O'Reilly Fans
The Media Research Center's Times Watch ^ | November 16, 2010 | Clay Waters

Posted on 11/16/2010 11:43:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

One of the Times’ favorite putative conservatives, former Bush speechwriter and book author David Frum, has gotten a lot of play in the paper by criticizing conservatives for rejecting Obama-care and listening to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Now Frum has become the paper’s idea of a conservative idea man. Just like the paper’s occasionally-right-of-center David Brooks, he’s a “conservative” that Obama and the Times can tolerate -- the kind who is constantly criticizing his alleged fellow conservatives.

The latest Times Sunday Magazine features an “Idea Lab” article by Frum, “Post-Tea-Party Nation,” illustrated with a drawing of a sleeping elephant. The subhed: “If conservatives are going to wield power responsibly, they first have to learn some hard lessons.”

Frum certainly can’t be accused of pro-Bush partisanship in passages like this:

Republicans lost the presidency in 2008 in large part because of the worst economic crisis since World War II. Republicans have now regained the House of Representatives for the same reason. In the interval, Republicans ferociously attacked the Obama administration’s economic remedies, and there certainly was a lot to attack. But the impulse to attack, it must be recognized, was based on more than ideology; it also served important psychological imperatives. Not since Jimmy Carter handed the office to Ronald Reagan -- arguably not since Herbert Hoover yielded to Franklin Roosevelt -- had a president of one party bequeathed a successor from another party so utter an economic disaster as George W. Bush bequeathed to Barack Obama. And while the Bush administration took wise and bold steps to correct the disaster, the unpopularity of its Troubled Asset Relief Program bequeathed the Obama administration a political disaster alongside the economic disaster.

Frum passed along five “lessons” for conservatives:

Too often, conservatives dupe themselves. They wrap themselves in closed information systems based upon pretend information. In this closed information system, banks can collapse without injuring the rest of the economy, tax cuts always pay for themselves and Congressional earmarks cause the federal budget deficit. Even the market collapse has not shaken some conservatives out of their closed information system. It enfolded them more closely within it. This is how to understand the Glenn Beck phenomenon. Every day, Beck offers alternative knowledge -- an alternative history of the United States and the world, an alternative system of economics, an alternative reality. As corporate profits soar, the closed information system insists that the free-enterprise system is under assault. As prices slump, we are warned of imminent hyperinflation. As black Americans are crushed under Depression-level unemployment, the administration’s policies are condemned by some conservatives as an outburst of Kenyan racial revenge against the white overlord.

By Lesson 5, Frum had become personal and rather offensive, demeaning the Tea Party and fans of Bill O’Reilly and Sarah Palin as well-off know-nothings.

Non-Tea Party Americans may marvel that any group can think of itself as egalitarian when its main political goals are to cut off government assistance to the poorest and reduce taxes for the richest. But American populism has almost always concentrated its anger against the educated rather than the wealthy. So much so that you might describe contemporary American politics as a class struggle between those with more education than money against those with more money than education: Jon Stewart’s America versus Bill O’Reilly’s, Barack Obama versus Sarah Palin.

No wonder the Times likes him so much.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: bush; congress; frum; msm; obama; palin; recession; talkradio; teaparty
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Another Bushie RINO we could do without. How many are there?
1 posted on 11/16/2010 11:43:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

more education than money against those with more money than education

whoa whoa whoa!
Who is in favor of teaching phonics so that kids can actually read real books before first grade? Not liberals.
Who is in favor of teaching traditional algorithms such as long division and column multiplication? Not liberals.
Who is in favor of bring back the classical trivium of G Logic and Rhetoric? Once again, not the liberals.

The Left wants to dumb down education and the popular culture and they have the chutzpah to say that they are more educated?


2 posted on 11/16/2010 11:59:01 PM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: ari-freedom

G=Grammar


3 posted on 11/16/2010 11:59:26 PM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Frum is not a conservative and never has been. He's another of the fifth-column types that swayed many Independents and some Republicans towards compromise. The fact that he is more and more obviously not a conservative is a measure of how effective the Tea Party has been in weakening the main democrat media and Congressional strongholds. The fascist democrat party is having to show the true colors of the heretofore more subtle fifth-columnists in a desperate attempt to regain control of the narrative and again sway the middle in this country.

We need to continue on the Congressional front, win the Presidential race in 2014, and then totally destroy the academic infrastructure the democrat party has built with hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars over the past forty years. If we can do that along with putting an end to the fiction of issue specific tax-exempt foundations, we'll then be able to completely dismantle the democrat party once and for all they way it should have been destroyed after the Civil War.

Regards

4 posted on 11/16/2010 11:59:58 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mark Levin always makes the case that only the Reagan people have the class enough to avoid these elitist style assassinations. There were some people like Noonan who are garbage but for the most part they are solid people. Go down the line with the Bush I and Bush II people and they are full of all types of vitriol and disdain for the outside the beltway thinking. Rove, Frum, Perino et al. They are elitists to the core.


5 posted on 11/17/2010 12:04:28 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

What a flood of memories that photo brings up. We may never see a team that good again. Worked for President Reagan and General Haig at different times. Director Casey was old school WWII OSS.


6 posted on 11/17/2010 12:08:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. ~Mencken)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IMO, he took a payoff like Brooks and Charles Johnson.


7 posted on 11/17/2010 12:12:11 AM PST by bronxville
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To: Lazlo in PA

Once upon a time, the adults were in charge...


8 posted on 11/17/2010 12:14:04 AM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: Rashputin
Frumites are useful idiots who are outmoded and past their prime.

Things are different now, being lectured to by Frum has lost its appeal.

9 posted on 11/17/2010 12:14:52 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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American politics as a class struggle between those with more education than money against those with more money than education:
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Perhaps that’s a problem—look at this country— we are dead broke.

Maybe we NEED these people with less education and more money than we need people with more education and less money.

At least the people with less education and more money KNOW how to earn, save, invest etc...that’s JUST what’s needed.


10 posted on 11/17/2010 12:19:54 AM PST by Irenic
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We need people with more education, not less. But they need to be educated in free markets and real science.


11 posted on 11/17/2010 12:23:16 AM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Not since Jimmy Carter handed the office to Ronald Reagan — arguably not since Herbert Hoover yielded to Franklin Roosevelt — had a president of one party bequeathed a successor from another party so utter an economic disaster as George W. Bush bequeathed to Barack Obama.”

And who “handed” Obama the mortgage meltdown? Was it those darn racist Republicans who didn’t want minorities to own homes ... or was it the Democrats who wanted people to own homes whether they could afford it or not?

And which way did Obama vote on the matter? Gosh, let me guess!

We really need to dispel the myth that the Republicans were the primarily architects of the financial meltdown. We need to remind people of which party FILIBUSTERED attempts to bring Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under control way back in 2005. Hint: it wasn’t the Republicans — but the public is almost completely unaware of that fact.

The public assumes that the Republicans were to blame because they were in power at the time. But the public in general is unaware of how the minority party can use the filibuster in the Senate to block the will of the majority. That ignorance is a huge problem for democracy.


12 posted on 11/17/2010 12:26:54 AM PST by RussP
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I will never vote for another Bush again, look at what kind of people they had working for them!

Jeb is a moderate Too!

13 posted on 11/17/2010 12:26:54 AM PST by factmart
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To: ari-freedom

I don’t have a problem with education, I had a problem with his argument. He worships education and never mentions experience. All education isn’t spoon-fed by a university or found completely in books. Experience is a fine education.

I think what we could use most...are people who have good values and morals—the backbone to stay honest. People who put country first, not their pocketbooks or their political welfare and egos.


14 posted on 11/17/2010 12:41:33 AM PST by Irenic
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Personal experience isn’t enough because it is so limited. People have to study the experiences of many people, cultures and institutions throughout history in order to learn from their mistakes and successes.
Now what the academics do is forget the history, forget the experiences that were tested, tried and true and approach everything from a blank slate.


15 posted on 11/17/2010 12:58:34 AM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frum is a Canadian lib poser.


16 posted on 11/17/2010 1:08:04 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: ari-freedom

When I hear Cheney speak... I know I am listening to an adult.


17 posted on 11/17/2010 1:09:48 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All we do is add and subtract. We do not understand advanced Ponzinomic Theory.


18 posted on 11/17/2010 1:45:24 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: ari-freedom

F=(L)+(P) ...when F=Failure...L=Liberalism... and P=Power


19 posted on 11/17/2010 1:47:14 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frum is Canadian.


20 posted on 11/17/2010 4:56:39 AM PST by y6162
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