Posted on 09/27/2010 1:27:31 PM PDT by RandysRight
This article gives another perspective on liberals, libertarians and conservatives. The history both Lincoln and Sherman has been written by the victors and beyond reproach. Do we want to restore honor in this country? Can we restore honor by bringing up subjects over 100 years old? Comments are encouraged.
Randy's Right aka Randy Dye NC Freedom
The American Lenin by L. Neil Smith lneil@lneilsmith.org
It’s harder and harder these days to tell a liberal from a conservative — given the former category’s increasingly blatant hostility toward the First Amendment, and the latter’s prissy new disdain for the Second Amendment — but it’s still easy to tell a liberal from a libertarian.
Just ask about either Amendment.
If what you get back is a spirited defense of the ideas of this country’s Founding Fathers, what you’ve got is a libertarian. By shameful default, libertarians have become America’s last and only reliable stewards of the Bill of Rights.
But if — and this usually seems a bit more difficult to most people — you’d like to know whether an individual is a libertarian or a conservative, ask about Abraham Lincoln.
Suppose a woman — with plenty of personal faults herself, let that be stipulated — desired to leave her husband: partly because he made a regular practice, in order to go out and get drunk, of stealing money she had earned herself by raising chickens or taking in laundry; and partly because he’d already demonstrated a proclivity for domestic violence the first time she’d complained about his stealing.
Now, when he stood in the doorway and beat her to a bloody pulp to keep her home, would we memorialize him as a hero? Or would we treat him like a dangerous lunatic who should be locked up, if for no other reason, then for trying to maintain the appearance of a relationship where there wasn’t a relationship any more? What value, we would ask, does he find in continuing to possess her in an involuntary association, when her heart and mind had left him long ago?
History tells us that Lincoln was a politically ambitious lawyer who eagerly prostituted himself to northern industrialists who were unwilling to pay world prices for their raw materials and who, rather than practice real capitalism, enlisted brute government force — “sell to us at our price or pay a fine that’ll put you out of business” — for dealing with uncooperative southern suppliers. That’s what a tariff’s all about. In support of this “noble principle”, when southerners demonstrated what amounted to no more than token resistance, Lincoln permitted an internal war to begin that butchered more Americans than all of this country’s foreign wars — before or afterward — rolled into one.
Lincoln saw the introduction of total war on the American continent — indiscriminate mass slaughter and destruction without regard to age, gender, or combat status of the victims — and oversaw the systematic shelling and burning of entire cities for strategic and tactical purposes. For the same purposes, Lincoln declared, rather late in the war, that black slaves were now free in the south — where he had no effective jurisdiction — while declaring at the same time, somewhat more quietly but for the record nonetheless, that if maintaining slavery could have won his war for him, he’d have done that, instead.
The fact is, Lincoln didn’t abolish slavery at all, he nationalized it, imposing income taxation and military conscription upon what had been a free country before he took over — income taxation and military conscription to which newly “freed” blacks soon found themselves subjected right alongside newly-enslaved whites. If the civil war was truly fought against slavery — a dubious, “politically correct” assertion with no historical evidence to back it up — then clearly, slavery won.
Lincoln brought secret police to America, along with the traditional midnight “knock on the door”, illegally suspending the Bill of Rights and, like the Latin America dictators he anticipated, “disappearing” thousands in the north whose only crime was that they disagreed with him. To finance his crimes against humanity, Lincoln allowed the printing of worthless paper money in unprecedented volumes, ultimately plunging America into a long, grim depression — in the south, it lasted half a century — he didn’t have to live through, himself.
In the end, Lincoln didn’t unite this country — that can’t be done by force — he divided it along lines of an unspeakably ugly hatred and resentment that continue to exist almost a century and a half after they were drawn. If Lincoln could have been put on trial in Nuremburg for war crimes, he’d have received the same sentence as the highest-ranking Nazis.
If libertarians ran things, they’d melt all the Lincoln pennies, shred all the Lincoln fives, take a wrecking ball to the Lincoln Memorial, and consider erecting monuments to John Wilkes Booth. Libertarians know Lincoln as the worst President America has ever had to suffer, with Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson running a distant second, third, and fourth.
Conservatives, on the other hand, adore Lincoln, publicly admire his methods, and revere him as the best President America ever had. One wonders: is this because they’d like to do, all over again, all of the things Lincoln did to the American people? Judging from their taste for executions as a substitute for individual self-defense, their penchant for putting people behind bars — more than any other country in the world, per capita, no matter how poorly it works to reduce crime — and the bitter distaste they display for Constitutional “technicalities” like the exclusionary rule, which are all that keep America from becoming the world’s largest banana republic, one is well-justified in wondering.
The troubling truth is that, more than anybody else’s, Abraham Lincoln’s career resembles and foreshadows that of V.I. Lenin, who, with somewhat better technology at his disposal, slaughtered millions of innocents — rather than mere hundreds of thousands — to enforce an impossibly stupid idea which, in the end, like forced association, was proven by history to be a resounding failure. Abraham Lincoln was America’s Lenin, and when America has finally absorbed that painful but illuminating truth, it will finally have begun to recover from the War between the States.
Source: John Ainsworth
http://www.americasremedy.com/
The final decision thogh is that slavery was always unConstitional. Regardless of the wrongful decisions made by rebel democrat judges.
I know you wish that you could claim that it was legal at the time but that is not how the ruling stands. It stands that is was always illegal under the Constitution.
I must therefore ask - why would you suggest that support of slavery (which was entirely legal at the time)was grounds for military action by the federal government against the States?
No doubt an extremely large target, but I'll pass.
Perhaps (I like both movies ;>), but only as a measured and completely appropriate response to the absolute bullsh!t you post here...
Yes, well who better than you would know all about bullshit?
Actually I have to correct myself. I dont think it was ever ruled that slavery was illegal. It was through the Amendment process that it was brought to a legal state Constitutionally.
So I guess all of the libertarians can celebrate the fact that technically their beloved slavery was never ruled illegal.
By all means, PLEASE cite the article, section, and clause of the United States Constitution that prohibited State secession - CLOWN BOY...
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Watch it, ya got his hackles up. He's dropped the asterisks and ampersands and has gone straight to all caps.
Ouch! So much for liberal tolerance...
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Yes, well who better than you would know all about bullshit?
True- you've been shoveling it at full speed for years, and I've learned to deal with it - and as I noted previously, I can provide citations to back up my claims. Something you can only dream of...
(But keep shoveling, sport - I'm sure it's good for your heart... ;>)
I wasn't criticizing a large ass, just declining a chance to kiss it.
True- you've been shoveling it at full speed for years, and I've learned to deal with it...
And you've been burying us in it for just as long, twice as deep.
...and as I noted previously, I can provide citations to back up my claims. Something you can only dream of...
Dream on.
Honestly I dont even see him post anything of relevance at all (in this thread). He posts alot of one liners with different little perverted jabs at posters, likes to talk tough and never respond with anything of substance at all to the answers he gets.
For the second time he calls me clown boy yet it is him that is the equivalent of a clown. It is like having a conversation with Beevus or Butthead or Howard Stern. He just goes on and on with one line “ass” “balls” or “boy” talk.
I am trying to be patient with him but it is getting predictable.
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A pair? If it’s half-wits then you and idabooby fit the bill to a “T”. If it’s my equipment you’re concerned with that overloads the creep~o~meter but considering that you never had any to lose, I guess I can understand your envy.
(But I have definitely enjoyed your idiotic posts! ;>)
No it is you who are a Lincoln penny shy, and a Lincoln dollar short - It is not new.... It is history that you are wrong.
He is also short in these other departments as well.
The Republicans won! His LOSER democrats lost. Yet he still cant admit it. A real LOSER.
Please feel free to cite the article, section and clause of the United States Constitution that prohibited State secession - sport. Of course, you can not...
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We're catching him on a bad day. Usually he refers to his opponent as 'Sport' like this was an F. Scott Fitzgerald novel or something. He grouchier than usual tonight.
I just don’t know how I’ll live with his disfavor...LOL
You're mixing your metaphors again.
Alzheimer’s most likely
The confederate version of it no doubt. That's when you can't remember that the rebellion was all about slavery.
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