Posted on 08/23/2010 6:01:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
NEW YORK—I’m a New Yorker. And in New York, there is one thing that everyone is talking about, “the ground zero mosque.”
A peace-loving Islamic group known as the Cordoba Initiative is planning to build a 13-story, $100 million facility, which includes a mosque and a community center, just a few blocks from where terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center on 9/11. The city has green-lighted it and Mayor Michael Bloomberg has given his full support.
At first it was just local news. In Democrat-rich New York, the mosque seemed like a fact with only a few people holding up signs outside the planned area, Park 51.
Then Sarah Palin weighed in against the mosque last month. Then two weeks ago, President Obama decided to weigh in with his support, only to carefully weigh out again while his fellow Democrats have come out both in support of and against the location of the mosque.
Now it’s national news.
But it doesn’t end there. The ground zero mosque is quickly becoming international news with Dutch politician Geert Wilders, known for his anti-Islam views, scheduled to appear in Manhattan at a rally against the mosque on the ninth anniversary of 9/11.
Wilders’s coming visit, regardless of what he ultimately says in his speech, highlights what will probably be the beginning of the end of the controversy.
Let me explain.
In the United States, the criticism of the ground zero mosque has centered around how the mosque was funded and the emotional pain brought to the families of 9/11 victims, which of course is very real and understandable. Most American politicians and the more mainstream conservative media know that criticizing someone’s religion, Islam or otherwise, isn’t going to go very far in a country that was founded on religious liberty.
But this doesn’t mean anything to a Dutchman like Wilders. In a speech in England earlier this year, Wilders made a trademark rail against Islam itself and its main text, the Quran, saying: “Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world. … I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values.”
Whether you agree with Wilders or not, in the United States, attacking someone’s religion doesn’t work for a few reasons, other than the historical ones.
For one, America is the most diverse place on earth, so counter examples of the evils of religion and most anything else abound. My own background goes back to Catholicism, which is now plagued with child molestation cases.
For Americans, even the Church of Satan is acceptable. Instead of a mosque, would it be better if the Church of Satan moved its headquarters from 52nd Street to Park 51? You get the point.
Wilders’s anti-Islam views cut to the core of the issue. If you don’t have a serious and immediate problem with Islam, like he does, does it matter what is two blocks away from ground zero as long as it’s paying the bills?
From a strictly free market perspective, it shouldn’t matter. If enough people really cared that much, they should put in a higher bid for Park 51 and every other spot they feel is sacred non-Islam ground.
As it stands, the ground zero mosque controversy is inflated by American politics and is set to expire along with the milk in my refrigerator.
“A peace-loving Islamic group known as the Cordoba Initiative ‘
The big lie technique is alive and well.
Forget Cordoba.
Remember Lepanto!
Every political party will need a tombstone. The democrat party’s will read, “died by its own stupidity.”
Compiled from sources on the Internet:
In the year 711 Tariq ibn Ziyad set foot on Spanish soil for the first time along with 7,000 soldiers. The moment he arrived, he ordered their ships to be burnt so that none of the soldiers would harbor ideas of leaving again. The arrival of Tariq ibn Ziyad was the first step towards the creation of the Umayyad*footnote state in Andalusia. And from there onwards, Muslims were to rule for eight centuries in this land. It took Tariq ibn Ziyad and his soldiers only one-and-a-half months to take control of the enormous land of Spain before them.
This city was for many years the capital of the Andalusian Umayyads.
There is no question that the opulence and beauty of the mosque were the products of Muslim builders and artists. But there is also no question that the mosque at Cordoba represents a history of conquest and reconquest that, from the perspective of Islamists, is at an unfinished stage as of today. The caliphate of Cordoba was the geographic high point of Umayyad Muslim rule – that is, of the original caliphate that succeeded Mohammed – on European territory. It represents a glory that Islamists intend to restore. Its eventual loss to the Europeans represents, equally, an evil reversal, imposed by infidels, that requires redress.
“Cordoba,” in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. It does not mean “coexistence,” unless coexistence is interpreted as referring to Islamic rule. Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs cites the article (original in Arabic) published by Iraqi-American Khudhayr Taher on 18 May, in which Taher explains the following:
We must note that a hostile and provocative name [Cordoba] has been chosen for this mosque…Choosing the name ‘Cordoba House’ for the mosque to be constructed in New York was not coincidental or random and innocent. It bears within it significance and dreams of expansion and invasion [into the territory] of the other, [while] striving to change his religion and to subjugate him…
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* Umayyad (ūmä'yäd), the first Islamic dynasty (661-750). Their reign witnessed the return to leadership roles of the pre-Islamic Arab elite, and the rejuvenation of tribal loyalties. The Banu Ummaya constituted the higher stratum of the pre-Islamic Meccan elite. Having entered into an agreement with Muhammad in 630, they succeeded in preserving their economic influence, and gradually reintegrated into the political power structure. The assassination of Uthman, the third caliph, and a member of the Ummaya, presented the dynamic Ummayad figure of Muawiya the opportunity to challenge the otherwise troubled rulership of Ali. With the death of Ali, Muawiya succeeded in establishing himself as the caliph, making Damascus the capital of the Islamic empire. His efforts concentrated on strengthening his rule by entering into a truce with the Byzantines, renewing tribal alliances and securing the succession of his son Yazid. With the death of Muawiya in 680, Yazid faced the opposition of Husayn, the son of Ali. The resistance and subsequent martyrdom of Husayn at Karbala in a battle where the Ummayad forces outnumbered him and his partisans is the focus of the central yearly Shiite observance of Ashura. Yazid also faced further resistance in the Hijaz (today Saudi Arabia), led by Abdallah ibn az-Zubayr. With his death, the caliphate was transfered to the Marwanid branch of the Banu Ummaya. Abd al-Malik succeeded in consolidating Ummayad rule, and proceeded with a series of administrative reforms including the conversion of the bureaucracy from Greek to Arabic, and the minting of new currency. This consolidation set the stage for the renewal of territorial expansion in Asia and Africa under Walid I (705-15), and the increased military pressure against Byzantium under Sulayman (715-17). Sulayman's successor, Umar II (717-20) unsuccessfully attempted to reverse the course of tribal-based politics in an effort to restore the Islamic political ideal of transcending partisanships. His successors, Yazid II (720-24), Hisham (724-43), and Walid (743-44) pursued the tribal-based territorial conquests. The expansion of the Islamic empire led to the emergence of a substantial class of non-tribal Muslims (mawali), who became the base from which anti-Ummayad movements drew their supporters. The most notable of these movements was the Abbasid, which eventually succeeded in toppling the last Ummayad caliph, Marwan II, in 750. A branch of the Ummayad family, led by Abd ar-Rahman ad-Dakhil, was able to reach Cordoba and to reestablish Umayyad rule (780-1031) in Muslim Spain. [ Columbia Encyclopedia http://www.answers.com/topic/umayyad ]
For the unknowing....
When the founding fathers thought of America, their little baby, the last thing they wanted was an invasive force to stifle, smother it, and then overwhelm it and kill it.
Most people do not recognize that what happens in a mosque is sedition. Pure and simple. Islam is not just a “religion”, it is a cult. Larger than that though, it is a political system, it is it’s own government, a economic system (which includes funding new mosque construction), its judicial...all wrapped up in the word sharia. This is inclusive of its military (jihadis) all rolled into one with one intent ...and that is to rule wherever they take root. It is a invasive, systemic infection looking to take over the host once it has quantum.
This is not just a “religion”, but something that cloaks itself in those terms so it should not be given the same treatment contemplated under the first amendment. The Korans Sharia rules are to consume whatever government there is wherever it goes.
Islam is political, and it’s goal is to supplant and replace. Globally.
When the founding fathers thought of America, their little baby, the last thing they wanted was an invasive force to stifle, smother it, and then overwhelm it and kill it.
The sooner America learns this , the better.
Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. He is doing nothing to protect America as per his oath. Also, as a Muslim, he knows this, he know far better, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.
For all interested...Wanna learn more?
On Sharia
http://thehayride.com/2010/08/louisiana-at-leading-edge-in-fight-against-shariah/#more-5392
this,
Three things about Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded
and a little Bill Whittle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg_iDPRud_c
Maybe we should talk about the birth of Pakistan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IstZSgniH8
Lets keep America, America!
Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. As a Muslim, he knows this, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.
The democrat party’s will read, “died by its own stupidity.”
I dunno. How large is the percentage of the sheeple that buy into class warfare? “The rich don’t pay their fair share.” “it’s for the children” “right wing hate speech needs to be banned”
coexistence = “dhimmi or dead” for infidels.
Thanks for the history!
There are 2,996 reasons Americans will not allow the GZM mosue to be built.
Remember how Rahm Emmanuel (or someone) said they were surprised that all the noise died down after Scott Brown was elected to Teddy Kennedy’s seat in MA? They were surprised the conservatives just dropped it; then the libs didn’t have to fight anymore.
Let’s don’t let that happen. I am really, strongly against it. I don’t care if they call me names, I am not going to drop it. Honestly, the few ‘elected’ officials think that THEY can make US knuckle under? Let it not be said.
I’ll say again — our friends in Switzerland worked hard on the minaret ban that was passed there recently. He said most of his fellow Protestant pastors did NOT understand; they thot he was cranky and mean. They wanted to let the Muslims come ‘and then we will convert them.’
The abbott of a nearby Catholic monastery joined with him, and they were able to ban minarets by a popular vote. He could not believe the resistance to their proposition nor the ignorance of history he encountered.
Great post.
In the end, we will have to face the truth. Which is that islam is not at all compatible with our Western values. It is literally a matter of survival. The majority of people in this country have not quite come to this realization yet. They will though. I’d give it about ten years or so.
Islam has only one goal, and that is world domination. For people to keep denying that is very, very dumb and ignorant.
The 'serious' and 'immediate' problem has to do with Islam's bullheaded push for this Ground Zero Mosque and the writer's flippant dismissal of any opposition to it as "Who cares? As long as they're paying the bills"
Thoughts?
The Epoch Times is owned by the Falun Gong cult and is viewed in the Chinese community as nothing but the cult’s propoganda tool.
You learn something new every day.
Heh. How many LaVeyan satanists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings, killing 3000 people? How many LaVeyan satanists have engaged in terrorist acts across the globe, and against Americans in particular?
and I guess the crescent shaped “memorial” in Shanksville, PA for our heroes from Flight 93 is to be ignored (for fear of being called a “racist”), as well....F*CK the mooselimbs and the progressives that support them and their “memorials” to represent their conquest of stupid Americans.
F*CK Political Correctness CRAP! It’s destroying us. (go ahead, liberals.....call me a racist....I don’t mind!)
http://michellemalkin.com/2005/09/10/flight-93-memorial-seeing-is-believing/
The attitudes you mention are malignant and will kill the party. Hatred feeds on and consumes the hater.
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