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Stanley Ann's passport records out
A place to ask questions to get the right answers ^ | July 31, 2010 | Apuzzo

Posted on 07/31/2010 6:25:47 PM PDT by jdirt

They don't have her records before 1965 !!

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Gardening
KEYWORDS: anndunham; birthers; certifigate; dunham; dunhampassport; foreigners; naturalborncitizen; obama; passport; sadopassport; sadpassport; soetoro; soetoropassport; stanleyanndunham; tpd
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To: edge919
Technically, under that situation, the U.S. would be unable to protect the citizenship of such a child.

Indonesia could not terminate Obama's citizenship. Obama's mother could not renounce his citizenship, and Obama, himself, as a child could not renounce his citizenship. In other words, the US protects the child's citizenship by not allowing it to be lost, renounced, terminated, or any other word you want to use.

Indonesia does not make US law, the government of the United State does and the United States, ALONE, decides who are its citizens.

121 posted on 08/01/2010 12:24:18 AM PDT by lucysmom (Trolling since 2001.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Obama Trip to Indonesia Would Counter Chinese Charm

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=41268


122 posted on 08/01/2010 12:44:27 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: lucysmom

The part of Indonesian law that provides that a child under five adopted by an Indonesian father is an Indonesian citizen is automatic. Unlike other provisions, it does not require that the child take any action to renounce some other citizenship.

You are right that little Barry’s status under the Indonesian statutes did not terminate his US citizenship. It is not easy for a minor to affirmatively renounce US citizenship. And he was not required to do so under that Indonesian provision.

However, US law at the time Barack was in college provided that if an ADULT takes certain actions respect to establishing citizenship in another country (for example, obtaining a passport), then he loses US citizenship.

Did Barack, after turning 18, make an affirmative application to renew his Indonesian passport? That would appear sufficient under US law to cause him AT THAT TIME to lose his US citizenship, without the US state department necessarily even knowing about it.


123 posted on 08/01/2010 12:47:05 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: edge919

Maybe Gibbels could answer this too:

WASHINGTON, July 29, 2010
Probe: U.S. Passports Still Vulnerable to Fraud
Undercover Investigators Get Real Passports from Fake Documents; Highlights National Security Lapses

(AP) Posing as someone else and using fake birth certificates and driver’s licenses still can obtain official U.S. passports.

For the second time in two years, government investigators exploited a gaping hole in the U.S. security system by deliberately using fraudulent material to apply for U.S. passports.
(snip)
In a similar investigation in March 2009, government investigators used phony documents and the identities of a dead man and a 5-year-old boy to obtain U.S. passports. One investigator used the Social Security number of a man who died in 1965, a fake New York birth certificate and a fake Florida driver’s license. He received a passport four days later. In the latest ruse conducted between January and June of this year, investigators used a fake Florida birth certificate, fake West Virginia driver’s license and a recently issued Social Security number for a 62-year-old’s application. Cards for Social Security, the government agency to help retired Americans, normally are obtained when Americans are quite young, because every worker must pay into the system through the identifying number on the personalized card.

The same picture submitted with that application also was used for multiple applications under different names.
(snip)


124 posted on 08/01/2010 12:48:24 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: edge919

OOPS: forgot link

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/29/national/main6725241.shtml


125 posted on 08/01/2010 12:49:10 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin; SirJohnBarleycorn; All

CSPAN had hearing coverage on passport fraud this week.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/294823-1


126 posted on 08/01/2010 12:57:33 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: ml/nj

I had my first passport at 9 months — it was valid for 5 years.


127 posted on 08/01/2010 1:02:12 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

IIRC the Haugue agreement did not allow for joint citizenship if one country was not in agreement. At the time BO was in Indonesia, their regime did not allow joint/dual citizenship.


128 posted on 08/01/2010 1:05:23 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: lucysmom
Not necessarily. If parent and child are listed on the same passport than neither can travel without the other.

If that was also the case in the 60's then perhaps that's why she took BHO "Soebarkah" off hers in 1968 - so he could travel back to HI without her.

129 posted on 08/01/2010 1:06:44 AM PDT by YankeeinOkieville (Obamanation [oh-bom-uh-nay-shuhn] n. -- ignorance and arrogance in the highest offices)
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To: patlin; edge919
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2562607/posts
130 posted on 08/01/2010 1:30:03 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: STARWISE
Thanks, I missed this. I find it quite interesting that they used short form computer generated COLBS made from “widely available online software” to get those passports. What does that say of the “WON'S”? It is NOT legit until a certified original of the “Won’s” is brought forward to vouch for the information of the online short form COLB.
131 posted on 08/01/2010 1:41:55 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: rolling_stone

Good point. As a baby I was on my mother’s passport, because obviously I wasn’t going anywhere alone. At age 9 I got my own. I’d like to see Stanley Ann’s previous passports.


132 posted on 08/01/2010 1:47:26 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: edge919
That’s why they have the Hague Convetion for adoptions...

Would you happen to know when the Hague Convention for adoptions was ratified by the United States?

133 posted on 08/01/2010 3:18:15 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: svcw

If he is not a citizen, then we have a constitutional crisis. We would need the Army to take him out by force. He would then be locked up until some foreign country asked to have him. Probably Kenya.


134 posted on 08/01/2010 4:06:38 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: jersey117

Bookmark


135 posted on 08/01/2010 4:09:02 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

If that is the explanation, then it would seem to me he is natural born despite not being a citizen.


136 posted on 08/01/2010 4:58:14 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: lucysmom
In 1965 it would take 8 hours work at minimum wage to pay for a passport. In 2009, it would take 13.75 hours at minimum wage.

With the earned income credit in 2009, it would only take an hour or two.

137 posted on 08/01/2010 5:01:50 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: rolling_stone
Makes me wonder if the powers to be decided to throw obama under the bus with this release

The letter was signed by a recent Obama appointed fair hair boy.

138 posted on 08/01/2010 5:04:06 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

For what it’s worth, Sir John, this has been my gut feeling all along: That regardless of where he was born, the real clincher is that as an adult he might have tried to use Indonesian citizenship as a door-opener for obtaining benefits of some kind, most likely at Columbia University. Your avenue of investigation most surely needs further exploration.


139 posted on 08/01/2010 5:09:57 AM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: Windflier; Genoa

I’m supposed to know the name of everyone’s mama? I don’t recall reading her name before.


140 posted on 08/01/2010 5:20:01 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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