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1 posted on 07/06/2010 11:45:57 AM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: nysuperdoodle
Gosh Holder did this?

All by his lonesome?

0bama's gonna be really upset when he finds out he wasn't consulted.

I still can't believe there are those on this forum that would miss the obvious sarcasm so < /sarcasm >

2 posted on 07/06/2010 11:49:21 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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3 posted on 07/06/2010 11:49:27 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: nysuperdoodle
Gosh Holder did this?

All by his lonesome?

0bama's gonna be really upset when he finds out he wasn't consulted.

I still can't believe there are those on this forum that would miss the obvious sarcasm so < /sarcasm >

4 posted on 07/06/2010 11:49:34 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

the lawsuit was filed by Eric Holder, which means at least the legal work should be sub-par.

++++++

ain’t that the truth !!

when does it get to the Supreme Court ??


5 posted on 07/06/2010 11:51:05 AM PDT by W-Girl
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Here we go...


6 posted on 07/06/2010 11:51:25 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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It’s too bad that Arizona isn’t being run by the New Black Panthers.


7 posted on 07/06/2010 11:53:14 AM PDT by jpl (It's "My Big Fat Deadly Greek Riot", coming soon to a bankrupt socialist state near you.)
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what’ll you think ‘Bammy will do when Arizona files articles of secession?!!


10 posted on 07/06/2010 11:55:46 AM PDT by mo
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Can someone please explain to me why it’s an issue for the state to enforce immigration laws but not federal drug or gun laws?


14 posted on 07/06/2010 11:57:55 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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Leftist freaks need to be sent to GITMO.

Including Obuttho


15 posted on 07/06/2010 12:01:21 PM PDT by dforest
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if it’s the feds job... and they refuse to do it... doesn’t it fall to the state government to keep it’s citizens safe and protect the value of their property from the various criminal activity that comes with the influx of illegals?


18 posted on 07/06/2010 12:02:59 PM PDT by sten
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Can you give a source besides a blog?


19 posted on 07/06/2010 12:03:03 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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Eric Holder, the nations chief law enforcement officer. Ever vigilant, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Fighting a never ending battle for truth, justice and socialism.


22 posted on 07/06/2010 12:03:49 PM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, or is it Mr. Stone or Mr. Woody? Whatever, you're under arrest.)
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sfl


24 posted on 07/06/2010 12:05:30 PM PDT by phockthis
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Ping!

Time for the gloves to come off - reinterpretation of the 14th Amendment is next.


26 posted on 07/06/2010 12:07:31 PM PDT by HiJinx (Why govern when you can golf?)
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Hello? Hellooooooo.......


27 posted on 07/06/2010 12:08:04 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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FUEH

By the way, is there a defense fund set up for Arizona yet? I just might be able to scrape up a few dollars to help.


28 posted on 07/06/2010 12:08:55 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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I just realized, you don’t stay and discuss or respond to posts. You just post blogs. Meaning you’ll never see my request for a source other than your blog.

So never mind. I found a link. Folks can go here for information without going to a blog.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jup3stJNgod5yvfvOU1IInU0erAwD9GPN88G0


29 posted on 07/06/2010 12:10:00 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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To: nysuperdoodle; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


33 posted on 07/06/2010 12:19:08 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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Reality vs. Myth: SB1070

Make it illegal in the State of Arizona for an alien to not register with the government, thus being an “illegal alien” (already the case at the federal level: 8 USC 1306a; USC 1304e)

Allow police to detain people where there is a “reasonable suspicion” that they’re illegal aliens (see the recent court case Estrada v. Rhode Island for an idea of what “reasonable suspicion” might entail)

Prohibits sanctuary cities (already prohibited at the federal level, 8 USC 1373) and allows citizens to sue any such jurisdiction

Reality vs. Myth: SB1070

Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren’t already required to carry.

Reality: It has been a federal crime (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) since 1940 for aliens to fail to carry their registration documents. The Arizona law reaffirms the federal law. Anyone who has traveled abroad knows that other nations have similar requirements. The majority requests for documentation will take place during the course of other police business such as traffic stops. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country. (See News Hour clip 3:45 seconds in)

Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling.

Reality: The Arizona law reduces the chances of racial profiling by requiring officers to contact the federal government when they suspect a person is an illegal alien as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment as federal law currently allows. Section 2 was amended (by HB2162) to read that a law enforcement official “may not consider race, color, or national origin” in making any stops or determining an alien’s immigration status (previously, they were prohibited in “solely” considering those factors). In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

Myth No. 3: “Reasonable suspicion” is a meaningless term that will permit police misconduct.

Reality: “Reasonable suspicion” has been defined by the courts for decades (the Fourth Amendment itself proscribes “unreasonable searches and seizures”). One of the most recent cases, Estrada v. Rhode Island, provides an example of the courts refining of “reasonable suspicion:”

A 15 passenger van is pulled over for a traffic violation. The driver of the van had identification but the other passengers did not (some had IDs from a gym membership, a non-driver’s license card from the state, and IDs issued from the Guatemalan Consulate). The passengers said they were on their way to work but they had no work permits. Most could not speak English but upon questioning, admitted that they were in the United States illegally. The officer notified ICE and waited three minutes for instructions.

The SB1070 provision in question reads:
“For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state . . . where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person.”

Myth No. 4: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people.

Reality: The law only kicks in when a police officer stopped, detained, or arrested someone (HB2162). The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.

Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien.

The Arizona law is actually more restrictive than federal law. In Muehler v. Mena (2005), the Supreme Court ruled that officers did not need reasonable suspicion to justify asking a suspect about their immigration status, stating that the court has “held repeatedly that mere police questioning does not constitute a seizure” under the Fourth Amendment).

Source = http://www.numbersusa.com/dfax?jid=475466&lid=9&rid=123&series=tp06MAY10&tid=999725


38 posted on 07/06/2010 12:24:23 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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Perfect. The Democrat Party would rather shield illegal aliens than make sure that there is no intimidation of voters by the New Black Panthers at open polling places.

Typical.


39 posted on 07/06/2010 12:25:44 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (I Don't Want Hussein to Kick Ass. I WANT HIM TO GET OFF HIS ASS!!!!)
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