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US Soldiers in Afghanistan Not Allowed Rounds in Chamber
Michael Yon ^ | 5/19/2010 | Michael Yon

Posted on 05/19/2010 8:16:47 AM PDT by FReepaholic

From Michael Yon's Facebook page:

An American soldier emailed from Afghanistan saying that his unit has been ordered to patrol with no round in the chamber.

http://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/posts/123097424378854


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; banglist; michael; military; yon
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To: FReepaholic
Reminds me of McNamara's telling the frontline troops in ‘Nam they were using too many bullets.
21 posted on 05/19/2010 8:42:52 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I guess I should have prefaced that sentence with “I would hope that...”

Yes, there are a few buffoons in ranking positions in every branch of service.


22 posted on 05/19/2010 8:45:15 AM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: FReepaholic
I was on patrol in Viet Nam before Tet with an empty M14 and a shotgun with 5 rounds and nothing in the chamber also. So what is new about politics running the military?
23 posted on 05/19/2010 8:47:27 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: FReepaholic
I was on patrol in Viet Nam before Tet with an empty M14 and a shotgun with 5 rounds and nothing in the chamber also. So what is new about politics running the military?
24 posted on 05/19/2010 8:47:43 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: FReepaholic

So what was SOP before that? Round chambered, safety engaged? I’d go safety off, bolt back, dustcover closed and use the bolt release as a safety.


25 posted on 05/19/2010 8:49:39 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: downtownconservative
Yes, there are a few buffoons in ranking positions in every branch of service.

Indeed. And it seems to be getting worse.

26 posted on 05/19/2010 8:53:04 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: FReepaholic

What’s next, have them patrol with the clip removed too? So, if you come upon a bad guy, what do you do, club him with your rifle?


27 posted on 05/19/2010 8:53:25 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Just leave this long-haired conservative alone.)
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To: downtownconservative
This doesn’t surprise me. Certainly, this comes down from Secretary of the Army or higher. No local command in Iraq would come up with such a lamebrain idea, as this will get our guys killed.

I agree that no local command in Iraq would come up with an order for troops in Afghanistan, but I doubt it comes from SECARMY. He's not even in their chain of command. Anyhoo, with the ejection port cover closed, no one can tell visually if there's a round chambered or not. Put the bolt back for precombat inspection, quietly ride it home once you're out of the wire--if anyone asks, you felt "threatened" and took the appropriate action.

28 posted on 05/19/2010 8:58:07 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: FReepaholic

Someone needs to find out who the A-hole his tha issued that order and why they’re putting our troops into danger for nothing.

That commander who issued the order should be on a street patrol with No rounds in his chamber.

That could be why we lost a group of troops to a suicide bomber just yesterday.

Do these Commanders ever learn?


29 posted on 05/19/2010 8:58:23 AM PDT by puppypusher
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To: gundog

Pretty easy to accidentally hit the release when getting in or out of vehicles, juggling equipment, etc, and then you’re flagging someone with an unsafe weapon. Best to use the safety for what it was designed for, IMHO.


30 posted on 05/19/2010 9:00:28 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze

Yeah...probably best to use the chamber for what it was designed for, as well.


31 posted on 05/19/2010 9:02:31 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: 1elder1
No rounds in the chamber?
It makes me get pains in my stomach.
This cannot be a real order.

It most certainly can. And probably is.

An AF Sargent I met some years ago told me they had those orders during his 2 tours of Bosnia. You were not allowed to load your weapon until *after* you were fired upon.

Where is the ACLU on this? Seems to me the military has no legal right to put soldiers into potential combat situations without firearms that are loaded. Ought to be in court right now.........Uh, wait, could it be the ACLU doesn't give a $hit about the lives of our servicemen??

32 posted on 05/19/2010 9:02:54 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"The U.S. military has learned NOTHING from the Vietnam War and Beirut 1983."

The New Castrati, as Rush calls them.


33 posted on 05/19/2010 9:19:12 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obama: "Let's Pursue Reparations Through Legislation Rather Than the Courts")
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To: FReepaholic

If true, then the REMF officer who gave the order should be placed on point on a patrol, at the end of a bayonet if necessary.

It’s a war zone and any soldier should be able to defend himself and his unit without any restrictions on his ability to do that.


34 posted on 05/19/2010 9:26:55 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: llevrok
These are the types running the country now. :(




35 posted on 05/19/2010 9:36:55 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: FReepaholic

Sir, the enemy is attacking, they’re at the gates !!

Well, then fill out the necessary requisition forms in triplicate and await your orders ...

Sir ?


36 posted on 05/19/2010 9:41:00 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: FReepaholic
I did not find a copy of the e-mail at the reference.

Absent the "who, what, when, where", let us continue to exercise our imagination.

37 posted on 05/19/2010 9:58:38 AM PDT by verity
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; wardaddy

Yep, sure sounds like Beirut, 1983.

Better to have dead American troops than to lose “positive control,” meaning the higher command, safely located miles away, will tell you when you are in enough danger to fire back.


38 posted on 05/19/2010 10:34:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: centurion316
Biggest problem with rounds in the chamber is some knucklehead who takes his weapon off safe and accidently shoots a buddy. Not good.

If you have knuckleheads like that out on a patrol, and you know it, you didn't train them well enough or the Army send you some real damn dregs.

39 posted on 05/19/2010 10:37:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Joe Brower

Exactly...WTF is going to know? :-)


40 posted on 05/19/2010 10:37:34 AM PDT by hiredhand
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