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Research - Vattel & the meaning of the Constitutional term "Natural Born Citizen"
http://www.loc.gov/index.html ^ | 5/12/2010 | many

Posted on 05/12/2010 12:36:53 PM PDT by rxsid

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 from the U.S. Constitution states:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: certifigate; constitution; framers; naturalborncitizen; nbc; vattel
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321 posted on 03/10/2011 8:50:02 PM PST by bushpilot1
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322 posted on 03/10/2011 8:52:20 PM PST by bushpilot1
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thought you would find this interesting...

from “The Blaze”: DC Museum Works to Save Thomas Jefferson‘s ’Cut & Paste’ Bible

By literally cutting and pasting biblical passages demonstrating the life and lessons of Jesus Christ from several Bibles, Thomas Jefferson put together a book that he titled “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth” during his retirement in 1820. The former president’s finished product would become known to historians as the Jefferson Bible . . .The Smithsonian’s goal is to display the book propped opened to a 90-degree angle to allow museum visitors to glimpse Jefferson’s handy work, which includes passages from the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in English, French, Latin and Greek — all pasted side by side so Jefferson could compare the various translations of Christ’s work.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dc-museum-works-to-save-thomas-jeffersons-cut-paste-bible/

323 posted on 03/12/2011 5:48:48 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: rxsid

“Their wisest Statesmen and their most learned Judges had studied the Law of Nations profoundly with a view to extract from that law the rules for their own conduct, and the elements of their judgment on the conduct of others.” John Russell, British Prime Minister 1865

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/23024/pages/4850


324 posted on 03/13/2011 5:32:09 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1; Spaulding; Red Steel; devattel; patlin
Law of Nations, 1787 New York Edition Printed for Messrs. Berry and Rogers

Allegedly from the Australian National Library.

325 posted on 03/15/2011 1:22:03 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Looks eerily similar to the Dublin addition. Was it originally posted by devattel? I remain skeptical until I get confirmation form the Library of Congress.
326 posted on 03/15/2011 2:10:48 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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The Governmental Instructor: or, A Brief and Comprehensive View of the Government of the United States By J. B. Shurtleff 1847

pg 74-75:

NATURALIZATION LAWS.

We have seen that the constitution of the United States was adopted by the people of the several states. All who voted, or who had a right to vote at that time were parties to the contract, and of course were entitled to the right of citizenship under the new government. This right of citizenship is, in a measure, a hereditary right which descends, so that all people born in the United States, of parents who were citizens, are entitled to the rights of citizenship also.

But persons coming from foreign countries are not entitled to the right of citizenship unless the United States choose to confer it upon them.

The process by which this right is conferred, is called naturalization. And the laws which prescribe this process are called naturalization laws.

What further rights has congress under this power?
What is said of the Indian tribes?
By whom was the constitution of the United States adopted ?
Who were entitled to citizenship ?
Are the children of citizens entitled to citizenship ?
Are foreigners entitled to the rights of citizenship in the United
States?

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA74&dq=%22naturalization%22+%2B+%221790%22&ei=SMR_TcXBFcT2gAfAkc2WCA&ct=result&id=bIoXAAAAYAAJ#v=onepage&q=%22naturalization%22%20%2B%20%221790%22&f=false

327 posted on 03/15/2011 2:16:38 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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devattel was adamant in several postings he read natural born citizen in the New York edition.

This is not the New York edition or devattel is..


328 posted on 03/15/2011 2:47:10 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

The law of nations: or, principles of the law of nature: applied to the conduct and affairs of nations and sovereigns. ... By M. de Vattel. A new edition, corrected. Translated from the French

Author Emer de Vattel

Publisher printed for G. G. J. and J. Robinson; and Whieldon and Butterworth, 1793

Length 454 pages

http://books.google.com/books?id=jhzqtgAACAAJ&dq=M+de+Vattel&ei=mt9_Td-uEYbakwTouZWNCw&cd=6


329 posted on 03/15/2011 3:02:29 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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So far this is all I can grab.. Photobucket Title Nationality: responsibility of states; territorial waters. Drafts of conventions prepared in anticipation of the first Conference on the codification of international law, The Hague, 1930 Research in international law Volume 23 of American journal of international law: Supplement Authors Research in International Law, League of Nations Publisher Harvard Law School, 1929 Length 399 pages
330 posted on 03/15/2011 3:32:29 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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United States Congressional serial set, Issue 4984 59th Congress 1st Session 1905-1906

The law of continental Europe is thus described by Vattel: “Children naturally follow the condition of their parents.” (Qu. Morse on Citizenship, p. 28.) Mr. Campbell does not propose to change the law (sec. 1993, R. S.) by which children who are born abroad of fathers who are citizens of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization at the time of the birth of the children, are citizens, but would specifically shut out from our citizenship all the children born abroad before the parents became American citizens, no matter when they may come here.

http://books.google.com/books?pg=RA4-PA41&dq=%22naturalization%22+%2B+%221790%22&ei=SMR_TcXBFcT2gAfAkc2WCA&ct=result&id=VOM3AQAAIAAJ#v=onepage&q=%22naturalization%22%20%2B%20%221790%22&f=false

331 posted on 03/15/2011 3:48:10 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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332 posted on 03/15/2011 3:52:51 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12433955353041395683&q=Weedin+v+Chin+Bow+(1928),+274+US+657&hl=en&as_sdt=


333 posted on 03/15/2011 3:57:34 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: patlin

It is difficult to overcome a well entrenched conspiracy that controls the media. They have circled the wagons..which tells me they know he is not an NBC.


334 posted on 03/15/2011 5:14:23 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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335 posted on 03/16/2011 7:04:46 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZKUaAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false


336 posted on 03/16/2011 7:13:43 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
everything political refers to “Wealth of Nations, Locke or Vattel

St George Tucker was the Law professor at William & Mary. An excerpt from his Appendix to Blackstone:

Nor must we forget, what was also before slightly mentioned, that a part of the present United States was first settled by a Dutch colony; and another part, by Swedes. The tract claimed by those two nations extended from the thirty-eighth to the forty-first degree of latitude, and was called the New Netherlands, comprehending the present states of New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and the Eastern Shore of Maryland: it was conquered by the English, and confirmed to the crown of England by the treaty of Breda in 1667. The Dutch inhabitants remained in their settlements in New-York, and a part of Jersey; the Swedes, if I mistake not, were removed from Delaware to New-York, where they likewise remained. According to judge Blackstone, the laws of England, as such, could have no allowance, or authority there; this being a conquered and ceded country, and not a colony originally planted by Englishmen: and according to his principles, also, the laws of Holland, and of Sweden, were the municipal laws of those provinces, until the period of their conquest; and so continued until other laws were imposed upon them by the crown of England. When, and in what degree, a change was made in this manner; or whether any such change was ever formally made, can only be determined by recurrence to documents not within the reach of the author of these sheets.

(snip for length)

3. Thirdly; what part of the laws of England were abrogated by the revolution, or retained by the several states, when they became sovereign, and independent republics.

And here we may premise, that by the rejection of the sovereignty of the crown of England, not only all the laws of that country by which the dependence of the colonies was secured, but the whole lex prerogativa (or Jura Coronae before mentioned) so far as respected the person of the sovereign and his prerogatives as an individual, was utterly abolished: and, that so far as respected the kingly office, and government, it was either modified, abridged, or annulled, according to the several constitutions and laws of the states, respectively: consequently, that every rule of the common law, and every statute of England, founded on the nature of regal government, in derogation of the natural and unalienable rights of mankind; or, inconsistent with the nature and principles of democratic governments, were absolutely abrogated, repealed, and annulled, by the establishment of such a form of government in the states, respectively. This is a natural and necessary consequence of the revolution, and the correspondent changes in the nature of the governments, unless we could suppose that the laws of England, like those of the Almighty Ruler of the universe, carry with them an intrinsic moral obligation upon all mankind. A supposition too gross and absurd to require refutation.

337 posted on 03/16/2011 8:20:02 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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No. 09-5801 (2010 heard on Nov 10th)
Supreme Court of the United States
RUBEN FLORES-VILLAR, Petitioner
v.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Respondent

BRIEF FOR AMICUS CURIAE
IMMIGRATION REFORM LAW INSTITUTE
IN SUPPORT OF RESPONDENT

excerpt:

The most influential legal commentator on the law of nations was Emer De Vattel and his impact on England, the American colonies, and the Founding Fathers is undisputed.8 Vattel viewed the admission of aliens as a privilege – not a right or a remedy. 1 EMER DE VATTEL, THE LAW OF NATIONS § 213 (Knud Haakonssen ed., 2008) (“The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners, who are permitted to settle and stay in the country.”). In exchange for permission to “settle and stay,” aliens were “bound to the society by their residence . . . subject to the laws of the state[.]” Id. Such allegiances were required even though a permitted alien did “not participate in all the rights of citizens.” [footnote: For examples of eighteenth century analysis of Vattel, see generally ST. GEORGE TUCKER, A LETTER TO A MEMBER OF CONGRESS (1799)]


338 posted on 03/16/2011 8:24:43 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: rxsid

http://www.archive.org/stream/inquirytotherights00blanrich#page/8/mode/2up


339 posted on 03/25/2011 5:05:56 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: rxsid

The ideological origins of American federalism By Alison L. LaCroix

http://books.google.com/books?id=U2KDKkZY7-cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Founder+james+wilson++vattel++law+of+nations&hl=en&ei=vXeMTbnFLcHprQfYuIDnDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resn


340 posted on 03/25/2011 5:08:29 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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