Stephen Hawking Says Aliens Exist... But Are They an End-Times Deception?

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[nysuperdoodle]

Interesting thoughts on "aliens" by Stephen Hawking. Question - Is it possible that "aliens" are really just a demonic deception that will be revealed in the last days to lead us astray?

[caww]

Quix.....do you actually believe this author?

[Quix]

I would need to read every paragraph of this updated version of this article.

1. I have met (3-4 times at as many conferences) and talked with him probably 10-15 different times more or less 1:1, face to face.

2. I believe he is exceedingly authentic in terms of his presentation of himself as a quality physicist; more or less fun and extremely knowledgeable curmudgeonly UFO expert; character who enjoys public speaking; quality researcher in the field etc.

3. I believe essentially all the stuff he says as a physicist. I don’t detect any falsehood etc. in any of that stuff.

4. I believe all the stuff he says about debunkers and his vs their research methods and weaknesses.

5. He tends to be very conservative in terms of what he says IS. He’s very cautious in terms of his speculations—wording them carefully as such etc. He doesn’t go out on a limb and speculate very often.

6. He prefers to talk about only those things he’s pretty sure of from his own professional experience or personal research in dozens of archives.

7. He loves to shred debunkers on their own statements and is excellent at it. Easily shows the lot of them and several specific individuals up as clueless, disingenuous if not outright lying idiots.

8. My main concern about him is that he seems to have swallowed the party line about the critters are likely here to save us from ourselves or to protect The Federation from our warlike dangerousness.

9. Therefore, he’s quite probably wittingly or unwittingly some degree of a tool for the globalists. That’s very sad, to me. I’d suspected it but until a couple of conferences ago, had not heard him say anything directly implicating in such directions. Then I did. I felt very sad after that about his perspective and possible allegiances.

10. He’s Jewish. He’s probably more of an agnostic Jew than even a religious Jew, much less an earnest spiritual Jew but we haven’t really talked about that much and he’s not made elaborate comments on it, to my knowledge.

11. I still like him. I didn’t earnestly try and pull extra things out of him this conference in March. He’s very well experienced at handling the public and getting him to answer something with new information is extremely difficult. He is rather dismissive of run-of-the mill questions—giving the better ones stock answers and the poorer ones a humorous dismissive brush-off.

12. I’ve occasionally gotten him to be a little thoughtful in reply and offer what may have been a fresh answer to a carefully structured question on my part. It is NOT easy to do. And even then, his replies tend to be very short.

13. This last conference he was an also came and because of his stature was featured and spoke extra at least once. He happened to be in the NM and came on up for the local conference after his stint in Roswell or wherever just a bit earlier. I had been busy and had not spent any time thinking of good questions for him.

14. And for some reason, I didn’t feel like bothering this conference. It’s just a lot of mental work filtering through possible questions and wording for usually little return. All the good usual questions have been asked 100’s of times of him and he has stock brief answers all ready to play in a flash. That’s not greatly interesting to me.

15. Sometimes, it has SUBJECTIVVELY FELT LIKE his replies and stance are very, very polished, experienced . . . possibly trained for the role? I don’t know. After 700 different speeches and question and answer sessions, that alone would be quite a training.

16. The short answer after all the above is . . . yes I believe him. He’s basically an above average honest fellow who prefers to deal in well researched facts and to speak forthrightly, candidly, clearly. He has a good sense of humor and is rather likeable, sensible, logical, brilliant.

If you have further question, please feel free to ask. I’ll try and respond.

[The Cajun]

Thanks for putting up the articles by Stanton Friedman, one of the few on the topic I am willing to listen to.
As a side note, I worked for 30 years in the town (Houma, Louisiana) where Jesse Marcel was born and retired to. I think Stanton first met him in either New Orleans or Houma. May have even met Jesse because we were in the same business, don't remember him though. He was an electronic tech in TV and radio repair and I was an electronic tech for an oilfield service company in the same town.

[Quix]

Interesting.

I don’t know if you know that Jesse Marcel Jr is a retired super top flight Army eye surgeon who even in his very senior years did a stint or 3 in Iraq because his specialty was so needed.

HE IS ALSO A FREEPER though he posts rarely and does not per se out his screen name as that . . . though it is guessable.

For those reasons, I will not ping him to this post.

Yeah, Stanton did quality work with searching out Jesse and interviewing him in a very quality way.

Thanks for your post.

[Quix]

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS AND REPLY.

[The Cajun]

HE IS ALSO A FREEPER though he posts rarely and does not per se out his screen name as that . . . though it is guessable.

Even the "Old" Cajun has picked up on that many moons ago.
Jr. has led one heck of a full life ;^)

[Quix]

He IS a treasure of a patriot.

And he really did handle the pieces of the crashed Roswell UFO—including the foil and the little light “I” beams with the symbols—and they were fairly exactly as has been reported.

Congrats on your figuring such out. LOL.

[Quix]

BTW, Please humor me and play psychologist for a bit.

What do you think are the 3-4 major reasons so many posters on these threads seem to be absolutely willfully blind and ignorant folks . . .

fear?

what?

[The Cajun]

Fear is definitely in there, the unknown and unexplained scares the heck out of a lot of folks. They're in there own little box and don't want any windows cut into the walls, might cause them to have to rethink things in a big way.
Some are just wise-a$$es for the fun of it. Probably would apply to me if I hadn't seen something, with my own eyes, years ago that I can't come up with an explanation for.
I will listen to a multiple wittiness event (20 or more [Phoenix lights and recent Texas lights]), multiple video event, or something from airline pilots or military pilots (Japanese jet liner over Alaska, National Guard helicopter in mid west).
I figure the pilots have dream jobs that ordinary suckers like me would give anything to do and they have everything to lose by coming forward.
Basically I figure fear, a narrow minded view of reality and "wisea$$etty" are their problems ;^)

[Captain Beyond]

Hi Quix good stuff. I came across this on WND thought you might be interested in making a thread of it.

Is 2nd Coming of Jesus etched in night sky?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=138997

GOOD HEAVENS!

Is 2nd Coming of Jesus etched in night sky?
‘The devil perverts everything God has. There’s nothing wrong with biblical astronomy’

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Posted: April 18, 2010
7:27 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Is it possible the return of Jesus Christ to Earth has been foretold not only in the Bible, but also in the night sky since the creation of the universe?

The constellation known as Bo-otes, or “the Coming One,” shows a man with a sickle coming to reap a harvest, and, according to some, is a heavenly sign predicting the return of Jesus to Earth.

A Christian minister who uses NASA tracking of solar and lunar eclipses in his teaching of the great event is now explaining how at least one constellation is an outright declaration of the “Second Coming.”

In a new DVD series called “Studies in Our Hebrew Roots,” Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash., revisits what he and some others believe is the biblical plan of God on display in the physical heavens.

Have a good one.

[Captain Beyond]

The constellation known as Bo-otes, or "the Coming One," shows a man with a sickle coming to reap a harvest, and, according to some, is a heavenly sign predicting the return of Jesus to Earth.

[Cvengr]

bttt

[Quix]

THANKS THANKS

That’s EXTREMELY WELL and imho, ACCURATELY PUT.

Much appreciated.

[Quix]

THX THX.

Will check it out.

Sounds interesting . . . pointing to a general time frame is Biblical. Date setting, is not.

[Quix]

THX THX.

[MHGinTN]

When you draw the lines connecting the dots the way the original imaginer on the Bo-Otes image did, you see what the original drawewr wants you to see and accept what that drawer offered as his take on the lines drawn. But the same stars may be connected with different lines of drawing and yeild a very different image and story.

[MHGinTN]

Stanton is very biased at this point, and is not given to lying. His perspective is very noticeable however:
"A small group of religious fundamentalists (Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson come to mind) have already loudly proclaimed that UFOs are the work of the devil and there is no other intelligent life outside Earth. What an insult to the notion of an all powerful GOD!"

Stan goes not 'get it' regarding the non-intervention of God, perhaps because it seems God has at times intervened in the affairs of humankind yet 'allows' certain hideous things to happen without stopping them.

Stan believes in God, but his depth of study is very limited, thus he has yet to realize that the adversary wants to goad God into reaction and thus have a degree of control over God. ... The aliens visiting this planet may be inferiror to humans in one very crucial category: they may have a soul of life yet lack a spirit. After all, before God breathed His breath of Life into Adaqm, Adam was without an alive spirit. I happen to believe humans are the ONLY life form on planet Earth that have a spirit. If the visitors lack that parameter, it would make humankind a very interesting study indeed! ... And very dangerous to the aliens despite their superior technology.

We have to understand the possibility that the visitors may be very carefully chosen, limiting the aliens who are allowed to come see us and study us. Inter-stellar travel is a complexity which may be very carefully controlled by a ruling elite.

I'l stop there. No need to give the usual naysayers any more grist for their ridicule mills.

[ArrogantBustard]

However, if one asked me to take him to “my leader”, I would have no problem giving him Obama’s address.

They don't need it. He's one of them.

[Quix]

I think your observations and reasoned conjectures are spot on.

Would love to read the rest even if only in FREEPMAIL.

Thanks for a very meaningful contribution to this thread.

The naysayers are chaff. Their ideas are even less substantial.

[nysuperdoodle]

Thanks for posting the Friedman stuff. IMO he could answer a lot of the WHYs by just reading 2Thessalonians 2, which explains the restraint placed on demonic forces. When that restraint is lifted... we’re in for it. Least that’s my take on it.