Posted on 04/23/2010 3:16:52 PM PDT by Islaminaction
For nearly 1400 years, non-Muslims have made excuse after excuse for Islam. Outside of Israel, Islam has taken over the Middle East, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Malaysia. It has also taken over large portions of Africa, Europe, India, the Philippines (Moro region), and (Southern) Thailand, etc. Now the problem is in our backyard, and the excuses for Islam continue. How much more land does it have to dominate before we wake up? The world avoided Nazism for as long as it could, and like the Nazis, pro-Sharia Muslims are not hiding their agenda. Here is more proof of that.
(Excerpt) Read more at loganswarning.com ...
What did I say that was remotely protective of Islam? I will and have supported bombing Islamic countries if necessary, invading Islamic countries if necessary, and otherwise having our armed forces kill Muslims if necessary for the security of the United States of America. I don't want us doing that without good reason, because I understand the cost, but issues of Islamic terrorism may force that at times.
I simply do not believe that this country is in foreseeable danger of being taken over by its tiny Muslim population. We are more realistically in danger of succumbing to socialism by degrees or some variant of fascism over time, both of which are creations of Western civilization. That should be no surprise. We are obviously most vulnerable to falling from within to those philosophies that derive from our own culture and heritage, as opposed to a religion obscure to most Americans that is practiced by a tiny minority.
All you have been doing is making excuses for Islam. The violent aspect of Islam is the 2nd tier of the problem. The political aspect is an even bigger threat. We are not even close to winning this war, because of this aspect. Islamic history shows us that they do not have to be anywhere near the majority to win.
The Koran tells them this also. They do not have to vote the changes in now, they just keep having schools and businesses change for them. The left and Islam are working hand in hand, to destroy Western Civilization.
The left is in a love affair with Islam. In the end Islam will turn on them as well.
Islamic history tells us they are a depleted and disorganized force hundreds of years past their zenith who are, with rare exceptions like Al Qaeda, consumed with local and regional squabbles. Far from a defense of them, I think they would find that characterization insulting.
Name me a single country in the West that has been politically conquered by a small minority of Muslims in modern times.
Hmmm.
Let's do another one. How many Western countries have been ruled by Islam since the Industrial Revolution:
Hmmm. I guess you could say a couple of Balkan entities in the great breakup, but those are all home grown majorities in their little areas.
One more. How many Islamic countries have been ruled by the West since the Industrial revolution: Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Jordan, Chad, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Libya, Indonesia, Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Somalia, Sudan, and Uzbekistan. There are almost certainly more.
Honestly, it's like the New York Yankees being afraid of a Little League team. Yeah, they can sneak up on you and whack you with a bat while you're not looking, but you'll make short work of them once you are.
I agree that the left may well be doing long term damage to Western Civilization. But Islam is a bit player in that, if a player at all. As I said, if the US falls from within, it won't be to Islam.
You obviously do not know anything about this issue, other than the obvious like AQ.
The political aspect is what they are using more these days, and they know that they cannot defeat the West in a military war.
FACT: They have taken over large portions of Europe, with them being the minority. Lets see.....the videos, or your opinion. I’ll stick with the videos. You might want to think past the day that you are in.
Muslims in the UK.
http://loganswarning.com/2009/12/04/muslims-terrorize-uk-police/
Islam Taking Over Malmo Sweden~Video
http://loganswarning.com/2009/12/13/islam-taking-over-malmo-swedenvideo/
They do not have to anywhere near the majority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu2c0tBXiNo&feature=player_embedded#!
We do not rule those lands, that is just hilarious. lol! Talk about living in a fantasy land, if we ruled them they would NOT be Islamic. All you have done is make excuses for what lands Islam rules.
Honestly, you know nothing about Islamic history, or the present state of the problem. Just like two other posters stated. Seems you are just looking for an arguement, as you protect a disgrace of humanity religion. You are just the type of person that I was talking about in my article. Islam advance because of excuse makers like you.
It’s not happening.....
Netherlands Warning to the USA~ Video
http://loganswarning.com/2010/01/27/netherlands-warning-to-the-usa-video/
Is trolling his thing? Because it appears all that he is looking for is an arguemet.
Explain how the West rules the nuke happy Iran.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2010/04/dhimmi-cancer-called-islam.html
Appears there’s a lot of smelly hot air in the emptiness between those ears which erupts like old faithful through the lips
Yes he is and I will not be a "good little dhemmi"! I promise!
LOL!!
"I think the tone of that is kind of alarmist. Of course it's the dominant religion in the Middle East. That is it's birthplace, coming well after the other Semitic religions and easily overwhelming them in another age."
The birthplace of islam was in makkah and madinah, in the hijaz area of the Arabian peninsula. Islam is an ideology that puts importance on capturing territory, converting and killing. From there, they took over the hijaz, the entire Arabian peninsula, and expanded, and took over more, expelling, converting and killing pagans, Christians and Jews along the way. Have you spoken to any Zoroastrians lately? From the fall of Constantinople, the occupation of Andalusia, right up to the muslim hordes marching up to the Gates of Vienna, there had never been any doubt they would have killed off Western Civilization if ever they had a chance. You say "Muslims are not taking over the world" but that is their aim. It always has been, slowly, step by step, conquering the darul harb until "peace" can be attained when the whole world is "darul islam."
Its really the statements on South East Asia I wanted to bring up, as others have covered the rest.
"The regions of the Philippines and Thailand you cite are also legacy populations not threatening the nations as a whole, but squabbling over treatment of an aggrieved minority. And the spread to Malaysia and Indonesia is also a historic fact. Nothing new there."
Jemaah Islamiyah and its splinter groups are looking to break off areas, slowly, one at a time to rejoin a Caliphate. Some big players attended Konferensi Khilafah Internasional, including Hizbut Tahrir. Part of the Green tide there, with GLOBAL players.
Islam was spread, and is still being spread there by lies, enabled by enforcing sharia and dhimmitude on non-muslims. In Malaysia, it's called the Bumiputra system, where islam claims anyone of malay stock at birth. They have no right to change their "religion." It's the Malays and Indonesians that "have been had, been took, been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok" by the deception of what is a "foreign influence" and what is not. Their muslim masters keep reminding them the western influence of a more and more interconnected world is a "foreign influence" but fail to remind those of Malay stock in Southern Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Borneo (E. Malaysia) Brunei, the Phillippines etc, are from pagan Hindu and animist ancestors before the islamic "influence." Today their long Hindu heritage from the times of the Malacca and original Kedah Kingdom, Srivijaya and Parameswara seems to mean little to them, short of nice stories for tourist guide books. They are conditioned to accept islam now, not as a "foreign influence" but as if is was native to their culture all along. A centuries old temple (Malaimel Sri Selva Kaliamman) in KL was reduced to destroyed by the muslim government recently. Kuala Lumpur has Churches, going back to the British Colonial days. The new administrative capital, PutraJaya, has loads of mosques and surau, but not much for other religions.
The very real foreign islamic influence "Arabization" is still at work there. Arab vistors however, are still often shocked by the Wayang Kulit shows depicting human forms or deities (deemed polytheist "shirk" in islam,) harram native joket dances featuring females with bare legs, arms and many movements similar to the native dances of Thailand and the Philippines.
The influx of Arab tourism, money, and TV cable channels is exacerbating this "foreign" influence to Malays and Indonesians. As little as ten years ago, if you asked a local Malay what he/she was, the chances were it would reply "Malay," identifying itself with the racial stock spread from Southern Thailand to Indonesia, and the Philippines. Today, more and more, they will answer "muslim," identifying themselves closer to the greater islamic ummah of the middle east than their own non-muslim countrymen and women. Even the traditional Malay "bomoh" witch doctor has to claim quranic inspiration for his remedies today so he's not persecuted as a mushrikun. Orang Asli are made to fall in line if they want get access to housing, education, and jobs. And Islam Hidari is a joke, everyone, and especially PAS know it, and can use it to point out those guilty of bidah.
The lie of what's a "foreign" influence has been repeated so often, it's now mostly accepted as if it were true. Of course the eeeeevil Europeans (as Mahathir MohamMAD called 'em) who brought them technology, infrastructure such as roads, railroads, and rule of law, trade, resources like rubber (smuggled there from South America) and the tin dredging technology to large start commercial mining, Cameron Highland Tea etc - all to enable them to develop their nation into what it is today - get no thanks. Never mind the locals would probably still be defecating in the same padi fields they grow their food in if it was not for infidel "foreign influence."
"The regions of the Philippines and Thailand you cite are also legacy populations not threatening the nations as a whole, but squabbling over treatment of an aggrieved minority. That's the exact same thing the Indian and Chinese populations do in Malaysia, which also sometimes spills over into violence, although less so as it has a historically more stable government."
No, it's far from the same. The KORANIMALS are the ones killing people, cutting off their heads, and hack Christian and Buddhist people to death when they are not oppressing them under their system of islamic apartheid. Tell me when the Chinese or Indians in Malaysia went on the rampage with their parangs and hacked the Bumis to death. When did the Churches play a call to attack muslims like those muslims broadcast from the mosques!?!?!?
Look into the history of UMNO and Barisan Nasional, and figure out how they cling to power using threats and intimidation a keep a whole nation hostage. There's alot of striking similarities to the mentality of our new Obama regime. (See the Obama - African Colonial threads)
Your screen name indicates an aged individual.
My opinions are a bit different from yours, and I have lots of years & miles.
You and I will live to see an allegiance betweeen the Left and Islam. It is the nature of their structure. Neither can “allow freedom”, no intelligent people want to live under such supression. Deception and lies are the only way either can take over a civilization.
The left hides within the environmental movement, in NGO’s, Non-Profit Corps. and Multi-National Corps. Islam hides in a society until it reaches a point where they can excerpt influence by force.
Both of these groups go against the very essence of the United States. Especially against the Christian community.
We are being challenged by the great deceiver and his minions. The battle WILL COME, no human or government will cause a lasting peace in the Middle East.
Again, I have insulted the religion. How is that protecting it?
They’ve taken over Britain, huh? Where is the Muslim Prime Minister, the Muslim direction of the armed forces of our closest ally? Nowhere to be found. What you are talking about is the tendency of quasi-segregated immigrant communities to cling to their old patterns, complicated and exacerbated by the civil rights sensitivity of modern Western nations.
Has that gone farther than it should? In some cases, almost certainly.
Is some push back appropriate? Again, almost certainly.
But you are confusing the exercise and abuse of civil rights law with actual political control of the country. It’s an unfortunate situation that needs to be addressed but is not as dire as you claim. You can insult me and insist I know nothing about Islam all you want, but the fact remains you have not identified a Western European nation that has been taken over by Muslims. They have not “taken over” large portions of Europe. They are present in distinct clumps, primarily in cities, and have become annoying to varying degrees. If they actually tried to march on Parliament tomorrow and seize it, they would be in for quite a rude awakening.
Thanks for the ping!
To close out for the record here, I am most emphatically not a supporter of Islam. I supported the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, and the War on Terror in general. I simply think its absurd to believe the Muslims are on the brink of taking over here, for any number of perfectly practical reasons.
You are protecting it, by making excuses for it.
I see, the idea is to let them actually finish the job and offically takeover Britian. Over 80 Sharia Courts there....no problem. Great thinking there....
The videos easily outweigh your opinion. There are over 700 Islamic no go zones in France alone. Go to Tower Hamlets in the UK and speak out against Islam, and see what happens....
Oh yea....Turkey was not always an Islamic country, so there is your answer. Like I said you cannot even begin to think past the day that you are in. Save the victim card, I spoke to you, as you spoke to me.
The facts easily outweigh your opinion. You and your excuses are part of the problem, and thankfully numerous posters have called you on it.
Once again, this goes way beyond a military problem. They did not takeover the Middle East overnight. Think past today, and realize the answer is to stop them before they takeover.
Point out where I stated that they have taken over Britain. But they are on there way to doing so.
I am still waiting for you to explain how we rule Iran.
Thanks!
Islam in the United Kingdom since its formation in 1707. Though Islam was not legalized until the Trinitarian Act in 1812, Muslims were present prior to this. Today Islam is the second largest religion in all four countries of the UK with recent estimates suggesting a total Muslim population as high as 2.4 million, mostly due to considerable immigration from former colonies from the 1950s. and intensive illegal immigration from Pakistan and other islamic countries, including Saudi Arabia. The growing numbers of Muslims has resulted in the establishment of more than 1500 mosques of which about 50-60% are affiliated with the Wahabist sect.
There are a number of UK-wide Islamic organisations, including; the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK, the Islamic Society of Britain, the Muslim Council of Britain, the Sufi Muslim Council, the Mosques & Imams National Advisory Board, the Muslim Association of Britain, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK, the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain and the Muslim Educational Trust.
The muslim brotherhood was resurrected and incorporated in England.
London is widely nicknamed Londonistan by Europeans.
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