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They are just waiting for us to leave!
Hey, it's happening on HIS watch, so it's HIS fault. When can we expect investigations and indictments from The Hague?
Those wringing their hands over Abu Ghraib are strangely silent.
Ted Kennedy and Hunter S. Thompson are understandably speechless, but what of the other libs.
I’ve feared for a long time that our sacrifice there would lead to another lousy regime. I guess from now on our policy should be to neutralize threats, like Saddam, but then not give a rip what happens to the people of the country unless it means telling them about Jesus, using our diplomatic power to support missionary work. Enough of nation building. We should deal with threats to our nation by force but forget about setting up western democracies.
You sound like an anti-war squish, dude. Then on top of it, taking the LA Times as a good source of info. You a Ron Paul fan by chance?
Huh? How does abusive treatment in a prison lead one to the above conclusion, as if rape and brutal treatment never occurs in US prisons? I guess US mistreatment of Native Americans invalidated the efficacy and significance of the American Revolution, not to mention slavery? I'd welcome Mr. Horowitz showing us one democratic nation on earth that hasn't seen its government or those who are charged to act for it who haven't on an occassion behaved in a way that's shameful and contrary to the stated values of its peoples and constitution.
And so this abuse in a prison negates all the great strides Iraq has made in building a functioning democracy and the amazing degree of coexistence the Shiites and Sunnis have managed to build there? The 3 or 4 successful democratic elections held there are all now a thing of naught because some haven't yet gotten the memo that the bad old days are over? Sorry, but after decades of Saddam's regime turning an entire nation dysfunctional and abusive, it's going to be difficult to change old habits in just a few years time--especially at the tail end of a brutal war. The pathologies of Saddam's regime are going to continue to show themselves on occassion such as happened here--if indeed this report is even true. Rather than paint it as indicative of a failed vision in Iraq, I think we should actually take comfort and pride in the fact it hasn't happened more often after the way Saddam's regime sullied a nation and after the dysfunction it created.
I like Horowitz, but he or whomever the writer is here is engaging in some real mental gymnastics here to arrived at the bigoted conclusion that democracy only works for white people.
This was always the joke of the Abu Graib “scandal”. Prisoner abuse on the part of American guards consists generally of mocking them. Prisoner abuse by arabs usually involves rape and torture at some point and sawing off heads at others.
The press had a field day calling what we did torture while ignoring what typically goes on in an arab prison, and further ignoring what typically happens to Americans who fall into arab hands.
We are training these people and trying to leave behind something better than what we found, but its hard to overcome 1400 years of degraded culture with a few months of hands-on training. We would be wrong if we didn’t try, but we can’t be surprised if it doesn’t take. Even the “good guys” in Iraq are still arabs and they are still muslims.
Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss.
“Torture And Rapes Now Alleged In al Maliki’s Secret Prison”
Are we really going to support this crap?
“....we have traded one Sunni Muslim strongman, Saddam Hussein, for another Shiite Muslim strongman, Nuri al Maliki.”
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The difference between Saddam and Maliki is that the former never claimed to be democratically elected.
Iraq just elected a secular Prime Minister. They’re getting the hang of it. It just takes time. This is not some TV show where everything gets wrapped up neatly in an hour.
They are all crazy, every damned one of them!