Posted on 04/13/2010 10:36:21 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
From the New York Times column "Many Successful Gay Marriages Share An Open Secret" [Link to NY Times column below in first post].
Excerpted...
"When Rio and Ray married in 2008, the Bay Area women ommited two words from their wedding vows: fidelity and monogamy.
"I take it as a gift that someone will be that open and honest and sharing with me," said Rio, using the word "open" to describe their marriage. Love brought the middle age couple together. They wed during California's brief legal window for same sex marriage. But they knew from the beginning that their bond would be forged on their own terms, including what they call "play" with other women...
"A study to be released next month is offering a rare glimpse inside gay relationships and reveals that monogamy is not a central feature for many. New research at San Francisco's State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years - about 50% of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and acceptance of their partners.
"With straight people, it's called affairs or cheating," said Colleen Hoff, the study's principal investigator "but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations."
None of this is new in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this columnn no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same sex marriage.
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Wow, another 20 year old who agrees with me. You ain’t alone pal. Thanks for posting this!
...Inevitably, the pattern discernible in the statistics is borne out in the statements of the activists. Many of those who most vigorously champion same-sex marriage say that they do so precisely in the hope of dethroning once and for all the traditional “conjugal institution.”
That phrase comes from Judith Stacey, professor of sociology at New York University and a major expert witness testifying in courts and elsewhere for gay marriage. She views the fight for same-sex marriage as the “vanguard site” for rebuilding family forms. The author of journal articles like “Good Riddance to ‘The Family,’” she argues forthrightly that “if we begin to value the meaning and quality of intimate bonds over their customary forms, there are few limits to the kinds of marriage and kinship patterns people might wish to devise.”
Similarly, David L. Chambers, a law professor at the University of Michigan widely published on family issues, favors gay marriage for itself but also because it would likely “make society receptive to the further evolution of the law.” What kind of evolution? He writes, “If the deeply entrenched paradigm we are challenging is the romantically linked man-woman couple, we should respect the similar claims made against the hegemony of the two-person unit and against the romantic foundations of marriage.”.....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/451noxve.asp
However, he told me about the area code rule: you only have to be faithful while in the same area code. When traveling, it is OK to have anonymous gay sex with strangers. He said it as if it is the norm among homos, and I do not doubt it.
I gave up years ago trying to apply basic human norms and standards upon him; now I just consider him dead to me, which may have some truth, as his last gay partner was HIV-positive, and my brother knew it going into the relationship.
I’ve never even heard of 2,3,4,5 or 6!
They are really after the 'benefits' that society provides to married couples, along with acceptance of their lifestyle.
I see life as an American swirling down the drain even without providing married benefits to gay couples - that event would assure the fall of America as we remember it.
Also, given this information - think of all the gays in other countries that want to come to America - well, if they marry an America - they can come to America. If we allow gays to marry, they will come in the millions.
Let's hope that this new input will undermine the fight for same sex marriage.
You do know that occurs in heterosexual marriages, too. Don't you?
Pray for him. Prayer has the strength to call others back to Christ. I was not always a Christian, but I came to him after nearly 15 years away.
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think of all the gays in other countries that want to come to America - well, if they marry an America - they can come to America. If we allow gays to marry, they will come in the millions.
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100 percent of the gay marriages here in my province in Canada are “gay tourism”, marriage for people who live abroad. This is the main reason for approving gay marriage, to export it elsewhere to the world. Don’t make the same mistake we did.
You do know that study after study shows that (when compared to homosexuals) that heterosexuals are far, far less likley to have open, polyamorous relationships/marriages?
Even Colleen Huff - the principal investigator in the study - said that with straight people it is called cheating. Not so with homosexuals. But you know this already, and yet you use a red herring anyway.
Stay focused on how gay people are trying to destroy one man, one woman traditional marriage.
If both parties are agreeable how is it cheating?
Stay focused on how gay people are trying to destroy one man, one woman traditional marriage.
I'm well aware of that fact. I'm in favor of getting Government out of the business of marriage entirely.
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