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To: nw_arizona_granny; Travis McGee; Shooter 2.5; Joe Brower; Old Sarge; judicial meanz; Godzilla
This smells. I'll tell you why and I may be a little bit off base which is why I pinged the folks I have pinged.

Unless the agent already had his gun in hand and was at least semi expecting the attack, OR unless the attacker started his move from more than 21 feet away the Tueller Drill says it's not possible for this to have happened the way described under normal circumstances. Under the Tueller scenario, the attacker moving from 21 feet away can cover the distance in a second and a half and stab his victim before the defender can draw and engage and even then, he should be forced to move out of the path of the attack while still engaging. So to my mind, this stinks of setup. BUT, maybe I'm reading too much into all of this which is why I pinged the Pros from Dover if you remember your M*A*S*H trivia. What say you folks? I also think this is lent an air of conspiracy based on the activities at MacDill: CENTCOM HQ & SOCOM HQ put this on a level above nearly every other Army or USAF installation in CONUS.

438 posted on 05/20/2010 9:45:30 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
This smells. I'll tell you why and I may be a little bit off base which is why I pinged the folks I have pinged.

The part about an FBI agent doesn't make sense - are they guarding the gates at AF Bases now? I could see a domestic related dispute at the camp ground, MPs shutting down gates to prevent the guy from leaving and the guy going after one of the MPs or pay cops (perhaps psychotic or under the influence some how) - but an FBI agent?

439 posted on 05/20/2010 10:36:04 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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Unless the agent already had his gun in hand and was at least semi expecting the attack, OR unless the attacker started his move from more than 21 feet away the Tueller Drill says it’s not possible for this to have happened the way described under normal circumstances. Under the Tueller scenario, the attacker moving from 21 feet away can cover the distance in a second and a half and stab his victim before the defender can draw and engage and even then, he should be forced to move out of the path of the attack while still engaging. So to my mind, this stinks of setup.<<<<

You are thinking ‘hoodlum with a shiv in the boot’.

I thought machete and coming at them on the motorcycle.

Listen to your police scanners, anything that cuts, works, and they love the big kitchen knives.

You do not often here of the FBI man picking up a few extra dollars as a guard, but the local cops in most cities do.

The off duty FBI, might have been intending to shop at the base stores and save money, maybe as simple as picking up a prescription for a sick child.

If he had to check his gun [?] , he would have had it in hand, and been at the right spot at the right time.

Any cop, caught in a gate situation, will have his gun drawn.

One city that I listen to the scanner on, had their officers on double alert last night, while a 100 miles away, they were not the least worried for officer safety.

At the least, there is an alert out for contracts on the police, with the gangs hired to do the killing.


448 posted on 05/20/2010 3:01:47 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( garden/survival/cooking/storage- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2299939/posts?page=5555)
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