Arm Thy Neighbor

Matthew Bracken ^ | March 27, 2010 | Matthew Bracken

[Eagle Eye]

If I was considering some firearms I might look at .22lr, .357 or .38 revolvers. Easy to use, easy to find ammo and if one wants to reload .38 is easy. At close range those require little hard-corps training and they will do the trick. .22LR doesn’t get the respect it deserves.

Any shot gun is better than none. Even .410 will hurt someone. Or make them back off. Pump action is good, plentiful, and easy to obtain.

But I’d find guns through a private sale or trade. And have something stashed for emergencies.

That is, if I were to own firearms, which I don’t.

[dynachrome]

“M/N M44”

#9 on the list of “10 manliest guns”

http://www.arthurshall.com/x_2007_manly_firearms.shtml

[CodeToad]

Is there really anyone who hasn’t obtained an armory by now for a variety of reasons?

[Lurker]

Don't give me too much credit. Mrs. L is starting to think I have that Hoarding Syndrome thingy. LOL.

And keep in mind the fact that I've been putting this stuff together over the last 10 years or so. I certainly didn't buy this pile of stuff all at once.

One month it was two of those Enfields, a couple months later it was an SKS, another month a tin of 7.62 Russian, another month, well you get the idea.

I'm really a gigantic geek.

But when I sit down and look at it I'm like "holy sh** I can seriously outfit a squad with all this stuff." I mostly did it by finding the 'deals' of the day and then just doing it.

The most expensive ones were the AK's and the average cost of those Romainian kits was $350. EVERYBODY should have one of those. Yea, they aren't the finest AK's available but they go bang every time and if you practice with them you can get 'minute of bad guy' hits at 250 yards.

Thanks for the compliment. If you're impressed then I am truly humbled.

BTW Cabelas has a hell of a sale on those 10-22's. They're running $250 a copy IIRC.

LOL.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Everyone should have several firearms because no one gun can do everything you need it to do. You have a pistol. Get another, preferably just like it so you don’t have to relearn how to shoot it.

Also, get a shotgun. A Mossberg or Remington 870 are great, inexpensive shotguns and you can get a ton of accessories for them to make them into a good hunting gun or a great home defender.

Get a rifle you are comfortable with. If you just don’t like the AR-15, get something less expensive like a Yugoslavian SKS. They can be had for $250 or so and you can get high cap mags for them. These are great for hunting deer or unloading on a bad guy. The 7.62X39 is a medium power cartridge and they are still pretty cheap.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I wish I had bought a dozen of those Yugo SKS rifles when they were $80 each.

[Travis McGee]

You and me both!!!!

[Travis McGee]

Yeah, the libtards. They think the goobermint will protect them.

[Travis McGee]

I only hope it’s prudently dispersed! The “art of the cache” and all that.

[Lurker]

I've thought long and hard about the cache thing. Nothing is buried because I figure if it's time to bury them, it's time to dig 'em up.

So while it's well secured in a serious safe which is bolted to the slab floor in my home I'm simply not willing to hide anything.

We've made our decision. If they come for us, they've made what we like to call a 'life decision'.

I know others feel differently, but for me and mine this is how we're going to play it.

[Lurker]

I've thought long and hard about the cache thing. Nothing is buried because I figure if it's time to bury them, it's time to dig 'em up.

So while it's well secured in a serious safe which is bolted to the slab floor in my home I'm simply not willing to hide anything.

We've made our decision. If they come for us, they've made what we like to call a 'life decision'.

I know others feel differently, but for me and mine this is how we're going to play it.

[Still Thinking]

Don’t overlook a CZ-52. It hits as hard or harder than a 9mm, is in the .40 caliber power/energy club, and it costs 200 bucks, and bullets cost a dime.

Excellent penetration too, for those times when that's a good thing.

[CodeToad]

Thank God for that. I wouldn’t want those idiots near a gun.

[BlueLancer]

You convinced me to buy one of these more than a year ago and I just love mine. I bought a manual and a DVD showing how to strip and replace the firing pins, rollers, and several other parts that were originally made from .. let's face it .. inferior materials. I've replaced all of them and purchased five 1628-round "spam cans" of Polish ammunition, as well as having fired about 1200 rounds of Hungarian ammo through it since I replaced the firing pin.

Love it ... love it ... love it ...

Rifle power in a handgun ...

[hiredhand]

Fernando Aguirre’s book had a BIG impact on me. As did his earlier internet printout, “Thoughts On Urban Survival.” I wrote a lot of my last 2 books with his concepts in mind and taken to heart.

I made everybody in my house read it at the time and to put it bluntly, it scared the crap out of us. Everybody here remembers it pretty well! It caused us to realize that most people with a survivalist mindset have a HUGE misconception when it comes to a likely devolution of a society in a first world nation. Too many people think it's going to happen suddenly and then they can all band together and start killing the enemy. Aguirre pointed out that in Argentina, the wost scenario (financially) occurred, but life slogged on...with the side effects being corruptness at all levels of government services coming to the surface and becoming the normal way of doing business, along with rampant crime, the shifting of black markets into grey markets, and other general nastiness that most people here in American simply don't consider.

His writing about the Argentinian financial collapse made us realize that too many people here in American have a romanticized and INCORRECT view of exactly how this nation is going to digress toward its end, and that's as bad as NOT being prepared at all!

[hiredhand]

What’s that company? J&T arms? They send out flyers. They have the CZ52 pins.

I googled "cz-52 replacement firing pins, heat treated" and came up with a bunch of places that sell them. This one was at the top of the list. I've never bought from them before, and I like buying from places I'm familiar with, or ones people can refer me to -
http://www.gunpartswarehouse.com/cz52.htm

I think the pins we saw were advertised at makarov.com, which seems to be a dead site now. :-)

Are you thinking of J&G in Arizona? If so, they're GOOD people!

[Neil E. Wright]

So you got yourself an SU-16 .... they sure are fun shooters .... :) ... if you haven't got one, consider putting a RedDot sight on it .... when you put the dot on the target, you know where the bullet is going to go

[Still Thinking]

You convinced me to buy one of these more than a year ago and I just love mine. I bought a manual and a DVD showing how to strip and replace the firing pins, rollers, and several other parts that were originally made from .. let's face it .. inferior materials. I've replaced all of them and purchased five 1628-round "spam cans" of Polish ammunition, as well as having fired about 1200 rounds of Hungarian ammo through it since I replaced the firing pin.

Where do you get the parts from?

[MHGinTN]

Matt, I've been doing 'homework' on this issue. I won't go into the personal reason, but suffice it to say that I have good reasons to have come up with a 'safe as possible' means to have a shotgun handy in a home with small children. Here's how I've done it ... and f I had a way to post pix, I could illustrate the following:

I bought a Rossi .410/.22lr sindle shot weapon with interchangeable barrels. Then I put a forend vertical grip on the shotgun forend. Then I took a butt sock for 9 rifle cartridges and attached the hook side of 2 inch wide velcro to the back of the cut off cartridge slot portion (ruined the slip on of the butt sock, but they only cost $8 bucks) and the felt side of the velcro to the butt stock of the shotgun ... using 'industrial strength velcro available at Lowes and Home Depot. The velcro method allows the shotgun ammo to be kept separate from the weapon until needed, and then merely slapping the nine cartridge row to the felt portion on the stock allows quick loading and reloading. I then attached and accuratized a red laser.

Total cost for the finished product is just under $220, taxes and puchases in all. A .410 can use the Taurus Judge shotgun #4 shot ammo and even 410 slugs ... but not the 45 Long Colt because it generates too much pressure with the choked shotgun barrel. BUT, the weapon is deadly accurate up to ten yards and may be stored with ammo and weapon separate but quick to battery condition.

Next I purchased a couple of SUB 2000 KelTec carbines for 9MM, in the Beretta (I have extra 30 round mags) and Glock magazine issuance. With a laser on the weapons, these too mke formidable defense weapons with little or no practice bringing them to battery when ammo and weapon are kept separate.

I'm now working on a couple of M1Carbines which will be fed soft point 30 carbine rounds from thirty round mags. By looking for Universal Carbines in good condition, the cost for an M1 can be kept under four hundred dollars. I happened upon a nice Rock-Ola wile acquiring the first Universal, which I'm rebuilding the bolt on to be sure of firing condition. The Rock-Ola didn't need anything but a new home ;^) .

The next project is to put into 'psitol grip collapsible stock mode four ver inexpensive mag fed .22 lr rifles, chosen because of ease to shoot with no recoil, using a laser sight and the mmo can again be kept separate from the weapon using magazines loaded with hollow point ammo in the hi capacity range. The Mossberg Plinker is $107 at Wally world, and the Marlin 795 is currently $135, with Marlin sending a $25 rebate after purchase! A laser for these weapons runs under $20 and is easy to attach and accuratize. Extra ten round mags are available for both rifles, and 15 round mag are easily altered to work in the Marlin 795.

The point is, being well trained in use of a rifle/carbine need not be assumed for home defense since lasers and red dots sights ar now so reliable and easy to mount on the weapon and use. Ammo can be stored separate from the weapon in homes where small children could access the weapon, and the punching of many small holes rapidly will deter folks who need killin'. Even a 22lr is deadly with enough lead spit from it.

BTW, look into the European American Arms revolvers ... .357 2" barrel six shooters are right at $200 new at our local gunshows, and one can load with Hydra Shok .38 specials.

[davetex]

Yep, I really like that carbine. I put a short 3-9 scope, Command Arms folding stock and a Red Lion forend on it.

http://redlionprecision.com/14212.html