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To: Travis McGee
Matt, I've been doing 'homework' on this issue. I won't go into the personal reason, but suffice it to say that I have good reasons to have come up with a 'safe as possible' means to have a shotgun handy in a home with small children. Here's how I've done it ... and f I had a way to post pix, I could illustrate the following:

I bought a Rossi .410/.22lr sindle shot weapon with interchangeable barrels. Then I put a forend vertical grip on the shotgun forend. Then I took a butt sock for 9 rifle cartridges and attached the hook side of 2 inch wide velcro to the back of the cut off cartridge slot portion (ruined the slip on of the butt sock, but they only cost $8 bucks) and the felt side of the velcro to the butt stock of the shotgun ... using 'industrial strength velcro available at Lowes and Home Depot. The velcro method allows the shotgun ammo to be kept separate from the weapon until needed, and then merely slapping the nine cartridge row to the felt portion on the stock allows quick loading and reloading. I then attached and accuratized a red laser.

Total cost for the finished product is just under $220, taxes and puchases in all. A .410 can use the Taurus Judge shotgun #4 shot ammo and even 410 slugs ... but not the 45 Long Colt because it generates too much pressure with the choked shotgun barrel. BUT, the weapon is deadly accurate up to ten yards and may be stored with ammo and weapon separate but quick to battery condition.

Next I purchased a couple of SUB 2000 KelTec carbines for 9MM, in the Beretta (I have extra 30 round mags) and Glock magazine issuance. With a laser on the weapons, these too mke formidable defense weapons with little or no practice bringing them to battery when ammo and weapon are kept separate.

I'm now working on a couple of M1Carbines which will be fed soft point 30 carbine rounds from thirty round mags. By looking for Universal Carbines in good condition, the cost for an M1 can be kept under four hundred dollars. I happened upon a nice Rock-Ola wile acquiring the first Universal, which I'm rebuilding the bolt on to be sure of firing condition. The Rock-Ola didn't need anything but a new home ;^) .

The next project is to put into 'psitol grip collapsible stock mode four ver inexpensive mag fed .22 lr rifles, chosen because of ease to shoot with no recoil, using a laser sight and the mmo can again be kept separate from the weapon using magazines loaded with hollow point ammo in the hi capacity range. The Mossberg Plinker is $107 at Wally world, and the Marlin 795 is currently $135, with Marlin sending a $25 rebate after purchase! A laser for these weapons runs under $20 and is easy to attach and accuratize. Extra ten round mags are available for both rifles, and 15 round mag are easily altered to work in the Marlin 795.

The point is, being well trained in use of a rifle/carbine need not be assumed for home defense since lasers and red dots sights ar now so reliable and easy to mount on the weapon and use. Ammo can be stored separate from the weapon in homes where small children could access the weapon, and the punching of many small holes rapidly will deter folks who need killin'. Even a 22lr is deadly with enough lead spit from it.

BTW, look into the European American Arms revolvers ... .357 2" barrel six shooters are right at $200 new at our local gunshows, and one can load with Hydra Shok .38 specials.

179 posted on 03/27/2010 9:28:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Ping a ling a ling ... suggestions. The Rossi .410 has a 22” barrel and an 18.5” 22lr barrel, for $117 at WalMart currently. A forend vertical grip is under $20 bucks from CDNN or Cheaper Than Dirt, and the laser is around $30. A butt sock for rifle cartridges is $10 and the velcro is $8 for four feet of the stuff with sticky backing. With taxes, ammo in #4 shot and slugs, and background check, you can be trying ammo in it for around $220


181 posted on 03/27/2010 9:32:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: IncPen; Nailbiter

ping


182 posted on 03/27/2010 9:33:12 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: MHGinTN

Those are good picks, they all go bang!


195 posted on 03/28/2010 6:30:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: MHGinTN
By looking for Universal Carbines in good condition...

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Do not buy a Universal M1 carbine...there is a reason they are so cheap to get.....they are pure junk.

197 posted on 03/28/2010 6:31:51 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: MHGinTN

Good idea with the lasers, but don’t forget to stock up on spare batteries. They might be hard to find if things get ugly.


223 posted on 03/28/2010 1:14:43 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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