Posted on 03/22/2010 12:10:52 PM PDT by RandallFlagg
Last week, someone at work asked me about the Obamacare thing. I explained to him that it's a massive tax increase of at least $12,000 per family. He looked like I'd hit him in the gut.
He told someone else, and the reaction was about the same.
We need to put this thing into quick words for everyone to understand. There's still a lot of people who have no clue about it all. Something like what I's used:
"Can you afford a thousand bucks a month to pay for this?"
Pay more, get less.
And get in line for whatever crumbs the government lets fall from their table.
This is the email I got this morning from a “friend:”
“I won’t even start on how important the passage of the health care reform bill feels to me, or I’d go on for pages. All I can say is that it was the right thing, the moral thing to do, especially for the hard-working poor, the disadvantaged, and the forgotten. Hallelujah!”
I have not replied yet.
‘Can you say institutionalized theft?’
This is a great question to post. There is no use arguing states’ rights, liberty, constitutionality, etc. IMO. The POCKETBOOK and the waiting room, the doctors who are going to quit (doubtful utility, IMO).
People understand the pocketbook.
“More communications in the mail from the IRS, if you make a mistake on your reporting of insurance.”
“More complicated tax forms.”
“$12,000 to $14,000 more a year in taxes. It’s government health care, do you think it will be the lower amount of new taxes?”
I think I’ll use the thousand dollars a month line. Very effective.
Awesome, higher taxes AND higher premiums. My canadian freinds always tell me about their FREE health care...I ask them...”Do you have a job? When they answer in the affirmative, I say then it aint free...and you are not only paying for your own healthcare, you are paying the health care bill for each person not working.
When Medicare passed in 1965, they said it would only cost $12 billion by 1990. The actual price tag in 1990 was $107 billion - nine times more. What makes you think this will be any different? When has the government EVER not spent multiple times more than planned?
That’s probably over a billion dollars a year just for that part of enforcement.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Rep Tim Johnson does a good job explaining his oppposition to this monstrosity.
Key points include:
· $569.2 billion in tax increases
· $523.5 billion in Medicare cuts
· $48 billion more for Medicaid Expansion
first time in history applies Medicare taxes to capital gains, dividends and other investment income.
The cuts in senior health care are among the most distressing
Good one. My father is already worried that his main doctor will quit and that it will be difficult to find another.
The answer should be adaptable to the listener. Premiums and taxes up immediately, “benefits” on delayed timetable; taxes on what doctors use to treat us, larger doctor bills; cuts in government payments to doctors, fewer doctors but many, many more patients.
And I don’t think people will stop going to the ER because they can’t get an appointment for a minor problem. We could stay where we’re at and probably save money in comparison!
My reply would be: I'm glad it's going to be so good for the poor, because there are going to be a WHOLE LOT MORE of them around when this thing bankrupts the country.
(See my earlier post on Medicare costs - also use Massachusetts, TennCare, and Keiki Care as examples. You may want to use the quote "Those that can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.")
I’m guessing that you’ll get a lot of ideas on this thread.
“They’ve got 300 million other customers, so why should they care about you?”
And they’re not interested in customer satisfaction or even making a profit...
If it were just about “health care for the poor”, they wouldn’t need a 2,000+ page bill for that. They could do it in 10 pages or less.
I wonder how he came up with that number - or where he got it. I try to back up what I say and I can’t point back to “well someone said ....” also when would that $1,000 a month kick in?
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