Posted on 03/13/2010 12:04:39 PM PST by wagglebee
The pro-death crowd is usually quick to discount the slippery slope argument when it’s applied to assisted suicide and euthanasia. They are quite good at finessing the slope argument by constantly assuring the gullible that assisted suicide and euthanasia are only for the very few, under extreme and horrible circumstances, and that killing is done humanely and under strict supervision that will almost always prevent abuse (yes, I am talking about killing humans here, not animals).
Too bad the Netherlands has always been the absolute exemplar of the slippery slope from the dignity of exceptionable human life to death on demand. Given recent news, it’s getting increasingly difficult for the pro-death lobby to deny that this slope doesn’t exist.
News reports this week have shown that not only are the Dutch on a slippery slope, but also that they may well have taken a leap of a cliff into the abyss of madness and nihilism.
Why? Glad you asked.
Because now the Dutch are pushing for legal killing of healthy people over 70 years of age.
Yes, you read correctly. If, as they say, you are 70 or over and feel that your life is "complete,” then, they argue, you should be able to go to a trained professional killer and kick the bucket.
From the UK Telegraph:
The influential Dutch "Right to Die" campaign, active since 1973, has launched new "vrijwillig levenseinde", or "of free will", demands to extend euthanasia beyond assisted suicide for terminally ill people.
The group has proposed training non-medical staff to administer a lethal injection to healthy people over the age of 70 who "consider their lives complete" and want to die.
Where’s the slippery slope?
Well, until about 20 years ago, assisted suicide/euthanasia were illegal in the Netherlands. Then they legalized assisted suicide/euthanasia for those who were terminally ill, with less than 6 months to live, and in unbearable or untreatable pain. Very soon this morphed into assisted suicide/euthanasia for people with chronic diseases or pain, then to those who had psychological but no physical pain, and on and on.
Where has this lead? Well, every year in the Netherlands several thousand people are now euthanized without their ever having asked for it.
I know what comes next: Death for anyone, anywhere, for whatever reason. That will include not only the elderly, but also those with disabilities, others the Dutch feel are expendable, and even those who may be judged to have a difficult life of suffering in the future.
I’d have more respect for the pro-death crowd if they just came out and said what they really mean:
Death for all, whenever, just because.
This is not what Wagglebee has devoted years to promoting here. So let's not pretend you agree with him, or any of us.
And you still refuse to answer my question or carry on a civil discussion, so I’ll resist wasting any more time on
this issue with you.
Wagglebee answered your question, and I answered it too. Your pro-euthanasia position is not shared by Wagglebee or your gracious host. Wagglebee’s views are very well known here. He’s pro-life. Period. How much more clear can we be?
You obviously missed my answer, I am 100% pro-life and conservative.
Life is absolutely NON-NEGOTIABLE. I am not one of your leftist friends who is willing to find "nuances" to justify killing innocent people.
Dem Guard claims to agree with Wagglebee’s views on euthanasia. That means Dem Guard agrees that euthanasia should be illegal. Doctors should certainly never be allowed to be involved in any way in euthanizing patients. Dem Guard takes seriously God’s commandment against euthanasia.
Very nearly ALL of us will reach a point where our bodies degenerate, this has ALWAYS been the case and Judeo-Christian society has NEVER accepted euthanasia.
You can try to rationalize this however you wish, but the point remains that you ARE trying to involve the government.
Out of curiosity, what happened to your earlier statement about "not wasting time" on this thread?
As someone who requires the services of the health care industry from time to time, I don’t want your selfishness destroying the health care industry I rely on.
I’ll speak for myself, thank you.
You’re welcome. I was just taking your word for it. Are you now suggesting that you didn’t mean what you said?
So laws should be enacted to allow doctors to kill people.
You call that keeping government out of it?
If you don’t want government involved in your suicide, then you have to leave doctors out of the equation.
Unless you want laws enacted to allow doctors to kill people which includes facilitating suicide.
People can and do commit suicide daily, without any laws, government, doctors or leftist euthanasia agendas. People who really want to die find ways and means to do so. It is considered a tragedy, and it is.
What is your position, exactly?
What is your position, exactly? ~ little jeremiah
Here's your chance Dem. Speak. What is your position, exactly?
Excellent post!
That about sums up the position of anyone who wants to legalize certain forms of murder.
Another deathbot. Funny how so many of them are noobs.
Most of the older ones were eliminated by the bugzapper.
But what you are advocating IS government involvement.
There's nothing stopping you from taking your own life is you so choose. But insisting that others be *permitted* to participate, is insisting on changing laws that define murder.
What you want is it to be legal for someone to murder you.
You're not the only one dealing with serious, potentially life threatening health issues, but the rest of us aren't demanding that the government legalize murder so that someone can do to me what I won't do to myself.
Time for *Bugzapper II*.
Or maybe *Return of the Bugzapper*.
Either one works for me.
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