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Top US International Lawyer Defines "Natural Born Citizen" in 1904
patlin ^ | 3/2/2010 | Alexander Porter Morse (1904)

Posted on 03/02/2010 11:43:58 AM PST by patlin

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To: Jedidah

He was born at Coco Solo (later Rodman) Naval Base Hospital, dead center on the waterway in the zone. There is no uncertainty.

And no, the Apollo 11 landing was not in a hager setting in the desert.


21 posted on 03/02/2010 2:07:20 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Well, it says: ‘... the framers thought it wise, in view of the probable influx of European immigration, to provide that the president should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance to the United States at the time of his birth.” From there it makes an argument that the child of citizens (plural) born overseas are natural born citizens.


22 posted on 03/02/2010 2:08:49 PM PST by edge919
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To: SnakeDoctor

They probably saw Anatomy of a Murder. Great movie. These guys are running thru anything that has natural born citizen it it. Roughly 1,250,00 hits if you google it. They are probably into 4 or 5 figures by now.

Probably hitting all the “Natural Born Citizens” the rock band tour dates and t-shirts about now.

parsy, who says “they’re something else....”


23 posted on 03/02/2010 2:14:13 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: FatherofFive

OMG!!!! That’s hilarious.

parsy, who is ROTFLMAO!!!!!


24 posted on 03/02/2010 2:17:58 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Apparently, a DNA test is not out of the question:

Deer Supreme Court,

How are you. Fine I hope. OMG! I hate to write you again but this is an emergency. This stuff is worse than I thought! First it was President Obama, who we found out was British, like George Washington ain’t spinning in his grave. Now I have found out Ronald Reagan, who is dead now, should never have been our President at all!

I just found out in Debrettes Peerage, which is a book where they peer at kings and things, says that Ronald Reagan was a descendant of Brian Boru, who was a King Of Ireland back in 1014. I guess Ireland and Denmark got in a fight or something, probably at one of them soccer games, and you know how them Irish like to drink. Anyway King Boru just up and beat the crap out of them Denmarkians.

But anyway, if Reagan was part of a line of Irish Kings, I am not sure he ever had America’s best interests at heart. I know the Democrats sure didn’t like him and accused him of this all the time. I hate to say it, but maybe they were right.

And, I have been trying to bone up on all this law stuff and LO AND BEHOLD, there is this law case called Wong the Chinaman or something like that. Y’all done it so I figure you have a copy of it laying around somewhere. And they say that “sovereigns” of other nations, which Kings are, can’t be Natural Born Citizens just because they are lucky enough to be born here. A prince is always under the loyalty and allegiance of the throne, or they can get their heads lopped off. I saw that on TV.

And plus I ain’t never heard of Prince Ronnie renouncing his throne! Like Grace Kelly did. We are just lucky we ain’t all having to speak Irish and drink whiskey all day long. Uncle Sam could have been switched out for a leperkan, leppercon, . . . you know that little fruity looking guy on the Lucky Charms box.

This is getting bad. How many other people like this are going to just pop up as Presidents? No wonder our country has been going to hell in a hand basket. A bunch of our presidents is illegal kings and princes of other places.

Please help us start deciding who can run. Maybe you can check out that Cosmetology.com or wherever it is they have all the birth records and start running these guys back at least to 1014 or so to make sure we ain’t electing foreigners on the sly. And DNA tests. And the Funny Name test. It is a crying out loud shame that people get to run for president and we can’t stop them at all.

Plus, we need to start making foreign countries tell us who all their kings are so we can google them. Next thing you know some descendant of that French guy, the Lost Dolphin, is going to slip in and we will all have to start eating rotten cheese and drinking wine.

Thank you,

A Concerned American


25 posted on 03/02/2010 2:22:32 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: parsifal

Brevity is the soul of wit ... milking a feeble attempt at a joke that wasn’t particularly funny to begin with is a little desperate.


26 posted on 03/02/2010 2:28:58 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

I might need to shorten it up some.

parsy, who appreciates the critical review. (BTW, do you have any ideas on parts I could edit out?)


27 posted on 03/02/2010 2:34:58 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: oldbill

You came off like a real jerk in your reply to me. I don’t like to think badly of other FReepers, so I will assume that you didn’t mean to.

My post to you was just in way of explanation. I have no dog in this hunt, don’t really care where McCain was born. However, there have been questions regarding his place of birth because the Coco Solo hospital where McCain has said he was born was not built until 1941, well after his birth.

Thus, some have said he was born at the hospital in Colon, not on base. Others claim there was a small clinic on base at the time of his birth.

I don’t know and don’t much care. You were wrong to be snarky to someone who was merely being informative and friendly to you.


28 posted on 03/02/2010 2:46:37 PM PST by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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To: parsifal
any ideas on parts I could edit out?

My suggestion, start edit with Apparently, end your edit after American.

29 posted on 03/02/2010 2:57:31 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: oldbill
the Apollo 11 landing was not in a hager setting in the desert.


30 posted on 03/02/2010 3:01:03 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: ASA Vet

LOL!

parsy, who set himself up for that


31 posted on 03/02/2010 3:01:21 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Jedidah
John McCain Birth Certificate
32 posted on 03/02/2010 3:05:07 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: oldbill; LucyT
McCain was born to American parents on American soil, the Panama Canal Zone. He has more credibility for native born status than a child born to American parents on foreign military bases like Germany. You need to learn some history. Until Carter turned the Cnal Zone over to Panama, it was American soil, and children born there are as American as Daniel Inoue (Territory of Hawaii) and Ernest Gruening (Territory of Alaska).

You can, of course, say anything you want to say but that doesn't make much of any of it so.

Although I have never thought the distinction important, McCain was in fact (according to his posted birth certificate) not born in the Canal Zone at all but instead was born in a private hospital in Colon, Panama, about 20 miles outside the zone. He was delivered by a US Military doctor if you think that helps you although I don't.

In my opinion, the Canal Zone is not particularly relevant either--it has never been part of the geographical territory of the several states and thus a person born there is not natural born.

McCain has an additional problem which is that the statute on which he relies for citizenship was enacted several years after his birth and by its terms it is not retroactive.

The issue of Daniel Inoue (Territory of Hawaii) and Ernest Gruening (Territory of Alaska) us also an interesting question. The Liberals made a strong argument to kick Barry Goldwater off the ballot because he was born in the territory of Arizona before it became a state.

Although the consensus among the Constitutional Lawyers of the day was that Goldwater would pass for the reason that Arizona was ultimately incorporated into the several states, the issue was not free from doubt and the Liberals abandoned the argument only when it became clear Goldwater had no chance to win. So, maybe Inoue and Gruening might have a problem.

33 posted on 03/02/2010 3:05:49 PM PST by David (...)
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To: ASA Vet

34 posted on 03/02/2010 3:08:28 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: FatherofFive
The last I checked, freepers doesn't have a grammer check, so basically you are saying because I wrote ‘an’ instead of ‘a’ the article from Morse is irrelevant.

Bwahahahaha...you really are a DRONE!!!!

35 posted on 03/02/2010 3:13:27 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
I am very much on board with this article. As far as Obama, his mother was NOT single & the Kenyan father is listed on his COLB. Hawaii DOH has verified that they do in fact have the vital records of the union.

KABOOM! Blown up right in your DRONE face.

36 posted on 03/02/2010 3:18:51 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: ASA Vet
THX & I believe I already admitted that the photos of McCain's records are frauds, so why did McCain keep them hidden.

The WaPo article clearly said the public could not see them. I'm sick of all this hiding of records, especially when it pertains to the births of those that want to represent ‘we the people’ in the highest office of the land.

37 posted on 03/02/2010 3:22:14 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: edge919
From there it makes an argument that the child of citizens (plural) born overseas are natural born citizens.

Yes, I read that. I added "assuming he was born in Hawaii" to restrict my question. That section is irrelevant if he was born in Hawaii--saying "all A are B" doesn't mean "only As are B."

38 posted on 03/02/2010 3:30:25 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: patlin
KABOOM! Blown up right in your DRONE face.

No doubt. But I still haven't figured out what you think has blown up. His mother was married to a Kenyan citizen--that's hardly a secret. So is your argument really that he couldn't derive NBcitizenship from his mother, only from his father?

39 posted on 03/02/2010 3:32:36 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: edge919

A lot of people on here trying to discredit the citizenship argument with bad jokes or weak arguments. I would almost think they are Obamabots. I also saw that same Reagan was an Irish King on another Free Republic Article a couple days ago. This website is really starting to get destroyed by people who are not willing to debate facts or viewpoints, but really by people who will die to defend their boyking.


40 posted on 03/02/2010 4:07:19 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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