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To: oldbill; LucyT
McCain was born to American parents on American soil, the Panama Canal Zone. He has more credibility for native born status than a child born to American parents on foreign military bases like Germany. You need to learn some history. Until Carter turned the Cnal Zone over to Panama, it was American soil, and children born there are as American as Daniel Inoue (Territory of Hawaii) and Ernest Gruening (Territory of Alaska).

You can, of course, say anything you want to say but that doesn't make much of any of it so.

Although I have never thought the distinction important, McCain was in fact (according to his posted birth certificate) not born in the Canal Zone at all but instead was born in a private hospital in Colon, Panama, about 20 miles outside the zone. He was delivered by a US Military doctor if you think that helps you although I don't.

In my opinion, the Canal Zone is not particularly relevant either--it has never been part of the geographical territory of the several states and thus a person born there is not natural born.

McCain has an additional problem which is that the statute on which he relies for citizenship was enacted several years after his birth and by its terms it is not retroactive.

The issue of Daniel Inoue (Territory of Hawaii) and Ernest Gruening (Territory of Alaska) us also an interesting question. The Liberals made a strong argument to kick Barry Goldwater off the ballot because he was born in the territory of Arizona before it became a state.

Although the consensus among the Constitutional Lawyers of the day was that Goldwater would pass for the reason that Arizona was ultimately incorporated into the several states, the issue was not free from doubt and the Liberals abandoned the argument only when it became clear Goldwater had no chance to win. So, maybe Inoue and Gruening might have a problem.

33 posted on 03/02/2010 3:05:49 PM PST by David (...)
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To: David
McCain was in fact (according to his posted birth certificate) not born in the Canal Zone at all but instead was born in a private hospital in Colon, Panama

Give it up. The city of Colon on the Atlantic side of the isthmus was inside the Panama Canal Zone. The Panama Canal Company on the birth certificate was the operating entity of the canal and the surrounding territory of the canal zone.

When you don't know what you are talking about, it is best to stop talking.

100 posted on 03/03/2010 9:59:38 AM PST by oldbill
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To: David
according to his posted birth certificate)

Which is an obvious fake. Look at the place where the child's name is, and observe how the line does *not* go through the text, meaning the text is somehow over the line, but the break in the line just fits the text. That's only the most obvious "problem". That image was not released by McCain or his campaign, but rather by someone challenging his NBC status.

122 posted on 03/03/2010 10:21:50 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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