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Enough is Enough:Start over on Health Care (Obama sidesteps legislative process. Unconstitutional?)
aclj.org ^ | February 2010 | Staff

Posted on 02/21/2010 11:58:33 AM PST by Sun

Congress has intensified its efforts to force flawed, pro-abortion Health Care reform through the system - and now, President Obama, sidestepping the legislative process, says he has his own Health Care bill - a move that raises serious constitutional concerns. The Constitution requires that the legislative branch write our laws, not the President.

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: constitution; obama; obamacare; prolife
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To: Oldpuppymax; All

“If democrats do anything unconstitutional, don’t expect to hear from Mitchie the Kid. Wouldn’t be BIPARTISAN!!”

Sometimes I like McConnell, but most Republicans don’t seem to fight hard enough. I heard McConell on Fox News Sunday today calling it a proposal. But it sure sounds like LEGISLATION to me, and to Jay Sekulow.

And get this, I even read on the DU, a title of a thread saying: “Obama Writes Own Health Bill”

I even have a link to that title, but would rather not post it, but if anybody wants it, send me a PM and I’ll send you the link.


21 posted on 02/21/2010 1:04:51 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

bttt


22 posted on 02/21/2010 2:35:01 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Sun

“Obama Writes Own Health Bill”

or his Czars did, if so, it should be a real doozy.


23 posted on 02/21/2010 2:35:55 PM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

“or his Czars did, if so, it should be a real doozy.”

Yes, more likely his Czars. Obama would rather party.

Ezeil sp.? Emanuel said that it’s more important to save an older child than a two-year old, because there is more invested in the older child. He is SICK!!!!


24 posted on 02/21/2010 3:56:48 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke.

Tennessee has joined several other states in trying to pass a Health Care Freedom Act. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military's secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011)

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

Obama's War on Seniors

Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security

http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Socialized Med Thread

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09

Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

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The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

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Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

Bambi doesn't keep his promises...so buyer beware.

25 posted on 02/21/2010 6:04:12 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Sun
This needs to get more coverage. The Republicans should not go to the summit. Obama has the media to spin it to his advantage.
26 posted on 02/22/2010 6:42:05 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Sun

the whole concept of mandatory health care is unconstitutional to begin with.

If it does pass, it will have to be challenged.


27 posted on 02/22/2010 2:24:21 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz

“the whole concept of mandatory health care is unconstitutional to begin with.

If it does pass, it will have to be challenged.”

IF it passes, I hope SCOTUS does the right thing.


28 posted on 02/22/2010 10:06:42 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: GailA; All

Great info in your post. I hope everyone reads it and passes it along to their friends.


29 posted on 02/22/2010 10:09:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: opentalk

Someone suggested they go, but if Obama doesn’t allow them to give their side, they should all get up and walk out.


30 posted on 02/22/2010 10:10:53 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

IF it passes, I hope SCOTUS does the right thing.

From your lips to gods ear.
I don't see how they can allow it to stand. If they did, it would mean that the government can demand of it's citizens to purchase anything. Not just health care. Anything that they see as being good for the country they can pass. That is not a republic, it is a socialist state.

Unfortunately, I do think it is going to pass. But remember what Jefferson said about the general welfare clause they are trying to pass this under.

"They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... [G]iving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please." --Thomas Jefferson

31 posted on 02/23/2010 8:52:17 AM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz

“”They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... “

Bingo!

btw, did you get that from the Federalist papers?


32 posted on 02/23/2010 5:48:21 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

it was just a quote I got regarding the subject matter. I believe it did come from the federalist papers, but am not 100% certain.
If you can’t find where the quote came from and really want to know, I will find the exact source.


33 posted on 02/24/2010 8:07:46 AM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Munz

That’s OK, it’s a great quote regardless of where it came from. I will pass it along to others.


34 posted on 02/24/2010 6:13:36 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

More from aclj:

“There are constitutional concerns about permitting the Executive Branch to absorb the legislative responsibilities of the Legislative Branch.

Clearly, the Executive Branch is expected to express opinions on legislative matters. And it should. However, when it comes to debate and drafting legislation, the Constitution is quite clear that it is Congress - and Congress alone - that has that authority.

During the health care debate, the legislative process failed to produce a final bill that could be approved by both chambers of Congress. Therefore, the President has stepped in and produced a final bill. In our view, that move directly sidesteps the Constitution and represents a glaring overreach of his authority. His bill does something else, too - it disenfranchises millions of Americans who are being denied the right to have their elected members of Congress involved in this final debate.”

read the rest: http://www.aclj.org/LegislativeAlert/Read.aspx?GUID=5c56eb73-d746-42f6-8937-e0cf75775a7c


35 posted on 02/24/2010 7:47:46 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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