Beam me to Planet Gore !
There is a much easier method.
Most people who support the lie of APG base their temperature claims on the IPCC data.
Simply ask them how they made the measurements.
Most do not know.
I’ve yet to discuss this with someone who understands how woefully inadequate the measurements were.
LOL, you can just bury them in information until they snap.
I just say to anyone when I’m cold and it is cold here in north east FL.
“wow it’s freezing what happened to this supposed global warming, seems to have missed us I’m freezing and it’s supposed to get even colder “
That’s the beauty of the con. No matter what the climate is, it supports their position.
bump
I need to keep an eye on this thread for more. I have to add to my toolkit for more arguments against the warmers.
I did chuckle at this:
So do you really believe that a bunch of people in an area the size of Texas can have more of an impact on the climate than a gaseous ball of fire that is almost one billion times larger than Texas?
GWB: Well sure, because the Sun is so far away but all those people are right here on Earth.
RB: Okay, I was not ready for that answer. Let me ask this: Have you ever gotten a sunburn from being outside in the sunlight?
GWB: Yes.
RB: Have you ever gotten a sunburn from being around a crowd of people?
GWB: Well, no.
RB: So then do you think that maybe the power of the Sun is slightly higher than the power of humans?
GWB: I don’t understand the relevance of your question.
i always use this
i can disprove AGW in 6 words...
what ended the last ice age?
cracks me up watching that fry their brains trying to answer it.
All of the discussion since “Climategate” broke (I really wish “Warmergate” had stuck) has, quite reasonably, focused on the corruption of data by the “homogenization” techniques used by various and sundry research agencies throughout the English speaking world and on the bogus claims found in IPCC publications based on use of advocacy sources in place of actual scientific papers or just plain, stupid errors (always favoring the preconceived idea that AGW is taking place and getting worse—plain stupid errors in the other direction evidently were caught in the editing).
All of this calls into question whether there has really been any global warming going on at all (at least if one takes a shorter time scale than from the end of the Little Ice Age, c. 1850, to the present).
What I find maddening is that critics do not put front and center a thoroughgoing critique of the method by which the supposed causal link between CO_2 emissions and changes in mean global temperature was supposedly established: computer modeling.
The last big enthusiasm in science journalism before most science pages turned into AGW propaganda rags was “chaos theory”, a sexed-up version of an observation Poincaré had made around the turn of the 20th century, that solutions to non-linear differential equations with nearby initial conditions could diverge radically over the long-run, meaning that physical systems governed by them were predictable only in the very short-run without perfect knowledge of the initial state of the system.
One of the popularized phrases thrown around in that era was “the butterfly effect”, describing the sensitivity of the non-linear equations governing the dynamics of the earth’s atmosphere to initial conditions in the terms “If a butterfly flies across a field in China, the weather in New York will be different three days later.”
The mantra “weather is not climate” shows a fundamental misunderstanding, not in what it denotes, which is true enough, but because it papers over the fact that climate is weather, averaged and aggregated over time and place. Certainly in the popular mind, and I strongly suspect in the minds of a great many of the climate modelers who have contributed to this debacle, there is the idea, supported by the “weather is not climate” mantra, that the unpredictable short-term variations in weather are simply “statistical noise” overlaid on a predictable system. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The variations in weather are the short-term dynamics of the system climate modeling seeks to predict long term. Creating time-averaged variables (turning weather into climate) and discretized space-averaged variables (gridding) out of the actual continuous moment-to-moment measurements that describe the earth’s atmosphere do not magically turn a non-linear system into a linear system, even if done honestly.
The only proof offered for the causal hypothesis that CO_2 emission from human activities cause whatever warming trend, real or created out of whole cloth by “homogenizing” data, have been discretized computer models of a chaotic dynamical system, that perforce leave out both the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns among influences on the earth’s climate, but also have, by and large, left out known influences (for instance, the causal mechanism, proposed and verified in experiments by Svensmark, linking solar magnetism to cloud formation that accounts for the long-noted correlation between sunspot number and mean global temperature).
To the extent that the AGW hypothesis leads to testable predictions: a hot-spot in the troposphere over the tropics, and a decrease in out-bound infrared radiation correlating with rising CO_2 concentrations, the hypothesis has been falsified by observation.
The “proof” for AGW was never science, it was a pack of grant-funded nerds playing an apotheosis of SimEarth on supercomputers. And we now know they were cheating.
It is the AGW-believers who are at war with science, with their notion of “settled science”. Computer modeling is not a “new way to do science” whatever Steven Wolfram may think or want. The “skeptics” or “deniers” are, in fact, the defenders of science, defending it by making war on “settled”. Real science is never settled, it is always provisional. As I have observed before, Newtonian physics seemed “settled” for two-hundred years, but came apart when it couldn’t explain the precession of Mercury, the photoelectric effect and the constancy of the speed of light in a vacuum—observations that falsified its predictions.
I wonder whether the authors of the NYTimes’ recent lead editorial which still hawks the “need” to hobble the world economy and impoverish the world’s people to “cut greenhouse emissions” consulted with James Gleick, their old science correspondent who wrote the popular “Chaos” back in 1987. I suspect not.