Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959
Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.
Immigration and Citizenship: Process and Policy fourth edition Under Jus Soli, the following is written "The Supreme Court's first holding on the sublect suggested that the court would give a restrictive reading to the phrase, potentially disqualifing significant number of persons born within the physical boundries of the nation. In Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94, 5 S.CT. 41, 28 L.ED. 643 (1884), the court ruled that native Indians were not U.S. citizens, even if they later severed their ties with their tribes. The words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," the court held, mean "not merely subjct in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiange." Most Indians could not meet the test. "Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian Tribes, (an alien through dependent power,) although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more 'born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,'*** then the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government ***. Id. at 102. It continues that Congress eventually passed legislation with the 'Allotment Act of 1887, that conferred citizenship on many Indians.
The fact remains, the Court held, complete and sole Jurisdiction. As I have held that being born anywhere in the United States, jurisdiction is required, sole and complete, and Barack Hussein Obama was already claimed by British jurisdiction under the British Nationailty Act of 1948, and as such fails the United states Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Barack Hussein Obama did not have sole jurisdiction under the United States.
Title 8 and the 14th Amendment clearlt state the following;
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
Note: 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'
“If by “dual loyalty” you actually mean dual citizenship, you are quite wrong”
No I was taking about dual (loyalty) NOT dual(citizenship)
Why do you play dumb and conflate the two?
ANY COUNTRY CAN CONFER CITIZENSHIP... HOWEVER, ANY COUNTRY CAN’T CONFER LOYALTY!
BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF MY THESES THAT YOU FAILED TO CONTRADICT.
The only people that will fall for your dialectic acrobatics are the same people that voted for your Master in the first place, troll!
Find a logical flaw in my argument and we will talk!
Until then, you lose!
As for place of birth conferring natural born status — if true — your master (Obama) may be in trouble:
Hawaii Attorney General’s office refuses to corroborate Obama’s Hawaii Birth:
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giggleyPuff - don’t go away mad, just go away!
LOL, you don't seem to get the point. I've asked you three times now to define the difference and you won't.
By your logic, Putin could come over here, marry an American woman (who is a citizen), bear a child with her. then take him back to Russia and raise him to be a communist and an enemy of the US. Teach him how to undermine everything America stands for and how to become POTUS, send him back to the US to accomplish his dirty deed.
He wins, are you going to sit here and tell every one on this forum that his spawn would be a Natural Born Citizen and eligible for POTUS?
Go ahead and say yes, reveal yourself to every one here the ass that you really are.
I'm thinking you're one of those F'n liberal retards Rahmbo was referring to, on second thought, is that you Rahm?
Go ahead, say yes.
LOL that can’t be the Ballerina.... he would have been cussing up a storm and gotten his bum banned already LOL
Nailed it...I've been saying for a while that Obama is the climax of a 40+ socialist Utopian wet dream, I don't think their going to let this opportunity go with out a fight.
I just wonder how far they are willing to go and what they are really capable of.
I really hate to say that there is good reason to have fear for the future, what a time this is :(
Yeah, I've been following the thread for what, the last three days now, lol.
I read that you were having a hard time finding it...excellent work.
I downloaded it and saved it for future reference.
Thanks again Danae, I've learned much from this thread, this is what makes FreeRepublic such an awesome site!
One more to add to your list of Lies, Obama said his parents met and married because the famous Civil rights march in Selma, Alabama. The actual event took place after Obama was born and after Obama’s mother has divorced his father.
I agree. Completely.
I do fear for the future. There are certain mileposts for creating a Socialist state, and the one after this involves murdering the top 10% of the society as was done in every other nation that has ever gone off the cliff into socialism.
Right now only a moron could look at our history and NOT see those dots and recognize that they are connected.
The founding fathers practically used the Law of Nations for a reference manual. The also is a mountain of documents where Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, James Wilson, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay, and John Marshall quoted Vattel extensively.
I agree! FReepers are the best. I am but a student of those here!
Here are some references for you concerning the Founding Fathers and Vattel.
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/vattels-law-of-nations-and-the-founding-fathers/
and
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/john-adams-on-natural-born-citizens-and-subjects/
nice!
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if I remember my Pokemon (my son was huge fan) Jigglypuff used serenade as an attack to lull his opponents to sleep.
Okay, you've convinced me! /wiggiemiester, lol
Seriously, if we could only get an attorney or two to get this in court and present it the way it was here, we could at least get rid of this clown.
I really, really, really don't understand how this is being allowed to happen in this country, it's downright scary, I mean who or what has taken over?
Just damn!
Speaks volumes for our "Representatives, don't it?
That creeps me out a bit...
The liberals are obviously trying to hide it.
when we have our day in court, it will be exposed, and we will have our day in court. There is no statute of limitations for treason and fraud.
Obama’s number are plummeting and even his ‘handlers’ are getting fed up that he’s being exposed. He’s becoming a liability and a big one.
yep.
In every reference I found for it, Title 3 was missing, it might be listed in the table of contents, but the text just went from title 2 to title 4, as if title 3 just disappeared.
It felt good to find it!!
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