Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.

nobarack08 | Feb 12, 2010 | syc1959

[syc1959]

Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.

Immigration and Citizenship: Process and Policy fourth edition Under Jus Soli, the following is written "The Supreme Court's first holding on the sublect suggested that the court would give a restrictive reading to the phrase, potentially disqualifing significant number of persons born within the physical boundries of the nation. In Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94, 5 S.CT. 41, 28 L.ED. 643 (1884), the court ruled that native Indians were not U.S. citizens, even if they later severed their ties with their tribes. The words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," the court held, mean "not merely subjct in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiange." Most Indians could not meet the test. "Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian Tribes, (an alien through dependent power,) although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more 'born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,'*** then the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government ***. Id. at 102. It continues that Congress eventually passed legislation with the 'Allotment Act of 1887, that conferred citizenship on many Indians.

The fact remains, the Court held, complete and sole Jurisdiction. As I have held that being born anywhere in the United States, jurisdiction is required, sole and complete, and Barack Hussein Obama was already claimed by British jurisdiction under the British Nationailty Act of 1948, and as such fails the United states Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Barack Hussein Obama did not have sole jurisdiction under the United States.

Title 8 and the 14th Amendment clearlt state the following;

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

Note: 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'

[EnderWiggins]

"Obama’s father was not a diplomat."

Exactly!!! Therefore Obama is a natural born citizen. Just like 500 years of Anglo-American common law says.

[EnderWiggins]

"I have nothing to prove."

If you had nothing to prove, Obama would not be President of the United States.



While I can show an actual definition of NBC that really existed at the time the Constitution was written, you cannot.

That single difference between our positions says everything. All else is just commentary.

[syc1959]

But his daddy stillwas a foreigner, that bond by his daddy makes Obama a foreigner. Alien to the United States.
there is nothing that ties, Obama to the United States,

Just becase his father was not a diplomat by US law means nothing as Barack Obama Sr and his children were and are not under ANY United States law as British subjects.

[syc1959]

must we go through this again.

You either are austic are in some other remedial class.

http://www.usconstitution.net/rat_ny.html

Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New York, July 26, 1788. New York was the eleventh state to do so. The assent of Virginia and of New York was seen as essential to the success of the Constitution, and though they were tenth and eleventh to ratify, it is generally agreed that until they both ratified, succes was in doubt. New York’s ratification message is the longest by far, and includes a declaration of rights and many suggested changes to the Constitution. The following text is taken from the Library of Congress’s copy of Elliot’s Debates.

Quote “That no persons, except natural-born citizens, or such as were citizens on or before the 4th day of July, 1776, or such as held commissions under the United States during the war, and have at any time since the 4th day of July, 1776, become citizens of one or other of the United States, and who shall be freeholders, shall be eligible to the places of President, Vice-President, or members of either house of the Congress of the United States.”

Another reference to a ‘natural born citizen’ so they did know the meaning, based on Vattel.

[EnderWiggins]

"EW You can't be born a British citizen and a Natural Born American Citizen."

Yes you can. It happens every day. It happens tens of thousand of times a year. It is true for tens of millions of Americans living today.

"The founders specifically wanted to PREVENT anyone of a different nationality from becoming POTUS, or an agent of a foreign Nation from becoming POTUS. The federalist 68 and Hamilton made it clear that they really wanted to prevent that in any case, no matter what you were talking about."

Yes to the latter, not to the former. They absolutely did not want a foreign agent to become President. But of course, American citizenship hardly guarantees that. Just ask Benedict Arnold.

But there is nothing in any debate or law they passed that says they cared one whit about any other foreign nationality. The fact that they voted for Thomas Jefferson as President even though he had become a naturalized citizen of France after the age of 40 and after having been an American citizen for more than ten years shows that this was hardly a deal breaker for them.

Their requirement for guarding against (though clearly not perfectly preventing) a foreign agent from becoming President was to insist he be a natural born citizen. And that meant being born on US soil. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.

That is the historical record.

Now... you really need to stop fraudulently posting a translation of de Vattel that did not exist until 10 years after the Constitution was written. It makes you look, well... dishonest.

[EnderWiggins]

That quotation never mentions de Vattel, nor does it mention two citizen parents, nor does it mention dual citizenship.

It would have been just as useful to your argument had you quoted a love poem by Catullus in the original Latin.

[STE=Q]

He's partly right. No quote from Vattel was submitted in any discussion on natural-born citizenship.

Partly right?

If he is 'partly right' then you imply that he is also, partly wrong.

Would you be so kind as to explain where you find the 'Wig' is wrong?

Or perhaps you mean that his statement(s)are incomplete in some way?

Could you elucidate further what you meant by "He's partly right" in regards to the wiggler's assertions.

Thanks!

STE=Q

[EnderWiggins]

"But his daddy stillwas a foreigner, that bond by his daddy makes Obama a foreigner."

No. It makes him a dual citizen.

"There is nothing that ties, Obama to the United States."

Except his natural born citizenship.

"Just becase his father was not a diplomat by US law means nothing as Barack Obama Sr and his children were and are not under ANY United States law as British subjects."

Obama was born in Hawaii. That means at his birth he was under the sole jurisdiction of American law. Certainly do do not need me to quote for the fifth or sixth time the Supreme Court decisions that explain that.

Or do you? Because I can.

[Danae]

ROFL

Fail. On all points.

Obama became president because of ignorant fools like you who voted for hopee changee.

Sorry Wiggy, Not buying it. You have done nothing other than spout off about what you think is right. No where can I find any sort of confirmation that you are.

Next, the version I am quoting is the first english edition Law of Nations, 1759. You are a bald faced liar. Unless you are saying that the constitution was written in 1758?

Take your flat earth theory back to the cave, it needs a LOT of work. Good luck with that.

You have yet to prove anything. You lose.

[Las Vegas Ron]

And yet he is President while are posting here.

And that is obviously the greatest joy in your little commie heart.

It is also obvious by your never ending circle jerk here that you will defend your marxist master to the death, no matter how stupid you look doing it.

[syc1959]

WiggieFool, it’s that tingle down your legs or you losing control of your senses.

If you knew who wrote it - you’d know.

Again, showing your lack of knowledge.

[syc1959]

wiggieool

Dual citizen, is not single as in “not merely subjct in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiange.”

Why do you comtinue to jam your foot in your mouth or your head up the southend of a northbound bull?

[syc1959]

wiggieFool;

again there is no proof or evidence that Obama was aactually born in Hawaii. The DOH has mistated the records and the AG of the State of Hawaii with not back up the DOH’s statements.

[EnderWiggins]

"If you knew who wrote it - you’d know."

I doesn't matter who wrote it. It doesn't say anything you need it to say.

[syc1959]

wiggieFool, crying like a little schoolgirl

WWWWHHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can’t face facts....

There is stupid
Then there is ‘Obama’ stupid

[EnderWiggins]

again there is no proof or evidence that Obama was aactually born in Hawaii. The DOH has mistated the records and the AG of the State of Hawaii with not back up the DOH’s statements.

So then why haven't you filed that criminal case we've talked about so many times?

Oh... I forgot. You have no evidence that the COLB is not absolutely authentic.

[EnderWiggins]

You have this fixation with tears. Are you Glen Beck?

Oh, I forgot. He thinks Birthers are nuts.

[syc1959]

My material is already being used.
Please review my blog.
I have provided evidence to the appropriate people that have no fear will be used and available for others.

[syc1959]

No tha’s the sounds of Obot’s realizing that the one that promised them everything like...

I won’t have to worry about paying for my mortage, or I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car... are waking up, that their fraud is screwing them over and lies, after lies are being exposed. His number are plummeting and the excuses are wearing thinner and thinner. So fear not, even the ones that backed the illegal undocumented Kenyan are trying to figure out, how easily they were doped.

They now have no-one but themselves to blame.

[EnderWiggins]

Back in December as I recall. You called it a “Christmas present.” Nobody noticed.

Yawn.