Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959
Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.
Immigration and Citizenship: Process and Policy fourth edition Under Jus Soli, the following is written "The Supreme Court's first holding on the sublect suggested that the court would give a restrictive reading to the phrase, potentially disqualifing significant number of persons born within the physical boundries of the nation. In Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94, 5 S.CT. 41, 28 L.ED. 643 (1884), the court ruled that native Indians were not U.S. citizens, even if they later severed their ties with their tribes. The words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," the court held, mean "not merely subjct in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiange." Most Indians could not meet the test. "Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian Tribes, (an alien through dependent power,) although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more 'born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,'*** then the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government ***. Id. at 102. It continues that Congress eventually passed legislation with the 'Allotment Act of 1887, that conferred citizenship on many Indians.
The fact remains, the Court held, complete and sole Jurisdiction. As I have held that being born anywhere in the United States, jurisdiction is required, sole and complete, and Barack Hussein Obama was already claimed by British jurisdiction under the British Nationailty Act of 1948, and as such fails the United states Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Barack Hussein Obama did not have sole jurisdiction under the United States.
Title 8 and the 14th Amendment clearlt state the following;
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
Note: 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'
You haven’t come close in making your fictional case of history into reality.
His Status... yep, and what pray tell, do you think that is in refrence to... his citizenship. Or perhaps youthink it has to do with his eye color or something?
Right.
Fight the smears is HIS website. It represents HIM. Or are you saying his handlers are in charge of him? Not that I don’t discount that possibility..... its not relevant to this discussion. Fight the Smears has been referred to the American Public by the White House. It is an official and sanctioned site.
The founders did not have to say a Negative when defining the positive. It is OBVIOUS that they mean that an NBC was a person born of two parents who were citizens, born on the soil of the Nation. End of story.
As for the last most likely you are correct, there are a LOT of people in the United States who would not qualify as NBC’s because one parent was an alien. I am not one. Both of my parents were full citizens. My mothers parents were naturalized (And naturalized in 1941 before my Uncle was born and long before my mother was born)citizens, having come from Manitoba Canada. My fathers family emigrated to the United States about 100 years before my great grandparents were born. In fact I have Seminole Indian in my heritage as well.
So, sorry dear, I am a Natural Born Citizen, I have only ever had the possibility of being an American Citizen. I was born on the Soil of the United States in Honolulu Hawaii in 1969 to to parents who were also Natural Born Citizens.
The distinction was made to prevent a person who’s national loyalties either were or could be divided. For all your denials, you simply have failed to either answer this or disprove it.
You can’t. Best hop along now skippy. You are beating a dead horse.
“Natural Born Citizen “ Is an ENGLISH phrase. Of course you won’t find an english phrase in french. Sheesh. some peoples kids I swear...
I don’t know that the British government has been asked. All I know is that it has been posed in the British papers, more than once.
Obama admits it himself on his “fight the Smears” website. So it seems that his status, by his own admission, was governed by Brittan. Why would it be governed by Britain if it wasn’t.... yea exactly. If your status falls under the jurisdiction of another Nation (Britain) at your birth, how can you possibly be the Natural Born Citizen of a DIFFERENT Nation, the United States in this instance. You can’t.
Yes, they do. Scotland Yard has all the info.So does the British Government, when Kenya became an independent nation in 1963, all the original files were copied and sent to the British Government. So not only do the British know, but the Kenyan Parliment also knows.
NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT
Wednesday, 5th November, 2008
The House met at 9.00 a.m.
Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obama’s win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled.
Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request! *****[note - “having a Kenyan ruling the USA”!]
Also Kenyan Historian knows the facts;
Otunnu on Luo Tribe Member Being Elected President, Oct. 25, 2008
Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenya’s Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya. “Town Hall Forum: An Examination of Race, Age, Gender & Religion in the 2008 Election,” Harvard Law School Reunions, Oct. 25, 2008, 9:15 a.m. (Austin Hall, 1st Floor, West), at 60:17 mark.
Notice that it is a Kenyan historian that states Barack Obama is a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from BIRTH!
So, yes they do know. Thanks for asking.
Can’t seperate the two.
Nice try, but you and Obama fail again.
And yet you still pretend it’s there.
It’s not.
Since you guys cannot come up with a single framer that agrees with you, or a single definition of NBC ever spoken in any language that agrees with you until 10 years too late, perhaps you could do something else.
You all make a point that Ben Franklin and John Jay spoke French. Great.
Show us their translations of de Vattel into English. Come on, they must exist somewhere. After all, you guys insist they translated him to read “natural born citizen.” Certainly that’s not just wild and vacuous speculation pulled out of rectal defiled.
Right?
and once again, you ‘assume’ that US law is the supreme law of every nation.
I assume nothing of the sort. I assert without any fear of contradiction that US Law is the Supreme Law of the United States.
In contrast, you assert that the Supreme Law of the United States is some British Nationalist Act.
That’s the best you got?
WiggieTingles
again, wrong. Enlish law covers subjects, like Obama.
Obama’s father was not a diplomat.
No facts, just lies, deceit, and kool-aid.
Better get out that Prayer rug and point to Obama;
The Obot Creed
I believe in Barack Obama, the bearer of Hope and Change
And in his rhetoric, and tales of woe
Who was born of the mother Stanley, in a place unknown
In the sixth year migrated to Indonesia
He ascended to the Senate, and unqualified, usurped the Presidency
Who suffered under Orly Taitz and was slurred by racist birthers
I believe in spreading the wealth
Of the taxes and levies therein,
the loss of freedom, that cost doesn’t matter
That healthcare is free
As long as I don’t have pay
illegal is illegal, just as your stupid, ignorant, and a fool.
You can’t fix stupid.
But after all is said and done....where will the body be flown to?
Title: "Obama monument to cost Sh112 million (Kenyan Shilling)"
Notice how not one hospital, doctor, or witness has stepped forward and claimed Obama’s birth.
But only foreign countirs, are claiming him as one of their own and erecting shrines, statutes and other idol worship’s to the Kenyan imposter.
Look skippy. You are the one coming onto our home turf with an unsupportable and thus far unproven set of theories. It is up to YOU disprove US.
That or go back and read the several thousand posts I have made over the last 6 years or so.
I have nothing to prove. YOU however do. I have made my arguments. Successfully. More than once, and over a long period of time. Those who know me here have seen me make mistakes. They will also say that when I am wrong, I own up to it. Immediately, and then offer proof of how I was wrong. I don’t have a problem with making mistakes or taking ownership of them.
Its up to you to provide your proof. You are in my house son. You want to try and disprove me, that’s great you are welcome to try. Thus far you have failed.
Ultimate success or failure of EITHER argument is ONLY going to be decided by SCOTUS. Not you, not me.
So my advise to you is this: Let this dead dog lay. You can’t prove yourself right, you can’t prove me wrong. My argument is very strong. Yours seems based in looking for partial sentences or paragraphs taken just slightly out of context to make your points. That fails in my book.
This is a controversy for a reason. There is only ONE solution. A Ruling from SCOTUS.
Nothing short of that is going to end the debate.
Wrong lugnut, wiigieTingles
attempting to defend the illegal undocumented alien might be considered a problem by you, by why does the illegal undocumented alien defend himself. Oops, he has to rely on un-informed dumbed down kool-aide drinking mind-numbed lazy and pathetic fools, like yourself.
Not once, NOT ONCE has she ever done anything but praise and defend Obongo. She also has talking points. Definitely an Obot.
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