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Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.
nobarack08 | Feb 12, 2010 | syc1959

Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959

Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.

Immigration and Citizenship: Process and Policy fourth edition Under Jus Soli, the following is written "The Supreme Court's first holding on the sublect suggested that the court would give a restrictive reading to the phrase, potentially disqualifing significant number of persons born within the physical boundries of the nation. In Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94, 5 S.CT. 41, 28 L.ED. 643 (1884), the court ruled that native Indians were not U.S. citizens, even if they later severed their ties with their tribes. The words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," the court held, mean "not merely subjct in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiange." Most Indians could not meet the test. "Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian Tribes, (an alien through dependent power,) although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more 'born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,'*** then the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government ***. Id. at 102. It continues that Congress eventually passed legislation with the 'Allotment Act of 1887, that conferred citizenship on many Indians.

The fact remains, the Court held, complete and sole Jurisdiction. As I have held that being born anywhere in the United States, jurisdiction is required, sole and complete, and Barack Hussein Obama was already claimed by British jurisdiction under the British Nationailty Act of 1948, and as such fails the United states Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Barack Hussein Obama did not have sole jurisdiction under the United States.

Title 8 and the 14th Amendment clearlt state the following;

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

Note: 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: barack; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; citizen; illegal; nativeborncitizen; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; undocumented
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To: syc1959
"And, if he DID produce a vaild Birth Certificate, why is fighting any lawsuit."

I will offer again the Napoleon quotation:

"Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake."

"Or why are all his records sealed?"

You need to look up "sealed." I think it does mean what you think it means,
421 posted on 02/13/2010 5:13:18 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Do you actually believe that Wong Kim Ark is US Law?


422 posted on 02/13/2010 5:13:25 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: EnderWiggins

wiggie-tingles

Isn’t it time to get out your prayer rug and recite you
creed.

The Obot Creed

I believe in Barack Obama, the bearer of Hope and Change

And in his rhetoric, and tales of woe

Who was born of the mother Stanley, in a place unknown

In the sixth year migrated to Indonesia

He ascended to the Senate, and unqualified, usurped the Presidency

Who suffered under Orly Taitz and was slurred by racist birthers

I believe in spreading the wealth

Of the taxes and levies therein,

the loss of freedom, that cost doesn’t matter

That healthcare is free

As long as I don’t have pay


423 posted on 02/13/2010 5:14:52 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins

While were waiting for Obama to show that .jpg image you call a “birth certificate” to a court or some other controlling authority.

Waiting and were waiting and waiting.....

Gee, how come? It must be an Obama fantasy.


424 posted on 02/13/2010 5:16:48 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
"That's such BS."

Nice of you to say so. Too bad it's true.
425 posted on 02/13/2010 5:17:18 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: syc1959
"First off, The DOH has never stated they issued the COLB to begin with, have they."

It doesn't matter. They know (and have acknowledged publicly) that a COLB for Obama is in circulation with their seal on it, their stamp on it, and the signature of their State Registrar. If it is a fake, they know it is a fake, and to not publicly declare it a fake is aiding and abetting the fraud.

So if you had any actual evidence that it is a fake why have you guys been fiddly-farting around trying to get past the hurdle of standing in civil courtrooms when you have a slam-dunk criminal complaint in your hands?

Unless of course you have nothing.

Then... never mind.

"Look at my blog for emails from teh State of Hawaii that prove the COLB by Barack Hussein Obama, offspring of a foreign goat herder is a fake."

I've read your blog. I can't find any such e-mails.
426 posted on 02/13/2010 5:22:46 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: usmcobra
"Do you actually believe that Wong Kim Ark is US Law?"

Until it is reversed by a newer Supreme Court decision, absolutely.
427 posted on 02/13/2010 5:24:00 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: All

Just in case anyone missed this:

HAWAII Attorney General’s office REFUSES to corroborate Obama’s HAWAII Birth:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/02/02/hi-attorney-generals-office-refuses-to-corroborate-obamas-hi-birth/

STE=Q


428 posted on 02/13/2010 5:28:48 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: EnderWiggins

another lie,

The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said...she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

So the controlling authority can’t verify the COLB as authentic.


429 posted on 02/13/2010 5:30:04 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins
Nice of you to say so. Too bad it's true.

To bad for you that it is BS. Even if it was true, it is not, the de Vattel citizenship definition the Founders applied to Article 2, clause 5 remains despite your sophistry. Obama is not a natural born citizen.

430 posted on 02/13/2010 5:30:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
"While were waiting for Obama to show that .jpg image you call a “birth certificate” to a court or some other controlling authority."

This helps show what a farce the Birther lawyers are. How many cases have been filed? Orly says more than a hundred!!!

And yet not one Birther lawyer has ever even gotten a court to even ask Obama to see it. I mean, seriously... where could you find a more consistently incompetent crowd than that? What other cause could find so many people who managed to get JDs and pass the bar, and yet not one of them could even get past a motion to dismiss?

So some on, Syc???? You keep telling us how you have all this evidence that the COLB is a fake. So do what Orly, Berg, Donofrio, Apuzzo, Pidgeon, Kreep, Hemmenway.... do what not one of them was smart enough to do. Leap like an Olympian over that pathetic hurdle of standing and file the criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH.

No more waiting then.

Obama would HAVE to counter the evidence of forgery.

What are you waiting for? Why have you waited almost 2 years?
431 posted on 02/13/2010 5:31:31 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: syc1959

There you go, Syc. Proof that they know the COLB exists and is circulation!!!!

They are aiding and abetting the fraud... assuming of course you have all that evidence you insist you have.

So... when are you planning to finally get around to filing the criminal complaint?


432 posted on 02/13/2010 5:33:27 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: Red Steel
"Even if it was true, it is not, the de Vattel citizenship definition the Founders applied to Article 2, clause 5 remains despite your sophistry."

Only if you also believe the Framers were Time Bandits.

433 posted on 02/13/2010 5:35:26 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

They have my evidence. Thank you for asking.

As for no court has asked...don’t feel bad.
but after next Jan, when the next wave of Obama casualties hits the road, they will.


434 posted on 02/13/2010 5:35:44 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins

Another non sequitur by you.


435 posted on 02/13/2010 5:37:14 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: syc1959
"They have my evidence. Thank you for asking."

To paraphrase the fabulous Sarah Palin, "How's that working out for ya?"
436 posted on 02/13/2010 5:39:36 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

When did the Supreme Court write US law?

Only the Congress can write US Law and to date the only time that a US Congress has ever defined what A Natural Born Citizen is, has been the definition the First US congress gave it.


437 posted on 02/13/2010 5:40:30 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra
"When did the Supreme Court write US law?"

Never. Now... go look up "common law" and "stare decisis" and think about it.
438 posted on 02/13/2010 5:42:45 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Very well ‘You betcha’

More surprises for Obotland.


439 posted on 02/13/2010 5:43:09 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins

YOUR ‘Common Law” is not Constitutional Law as outlined and defined in the United States Constitution.


440 posted on 02/13/2010 5:44:44 PM PST by syc1959
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