Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959
Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.
Immigration and Citizenship: Process and Policy fourth edition Under Jus Soli, the following is written "The Supreme Court's first holding on the sublect suggested that the court would give a restrictive reading to the phrase, potentially disqualifing significant number of persons born within the physical boundries of the nation. In Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94, 5 S.CT. 41, 28 L.ED. 643 (1884), the court ruled that native Indians were not U.S. citizens, even if they later severed their ties with their tribes. The words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," the court held, mean "not merely subjct in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiange." Most Indians could not meet the test. "Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian Tribes, (an alien through dependent power,) although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more 'born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,'*** then the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government ***. Id. at 102. It continues that Congress eventually passed legislation with the 'Allotment Act of 1887, that conferred citizenship on many Indians.
The fact remains, the Court held, complete and sole Jurisdiction. As I have held that being born anywhere in the United States, jurisdiction is required, sole and complete, and Barack Hussein Obama was already claimed by British jurisdiction under the British Nationailty Act of 1948, and as such fails the United states Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Barack Hussein Obama did not have sole jurisdiction under the United States.
Title 8 and the 14th Amendment clearlt state the following;
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
Note: 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'
FYI .. it’s considered good etiquette/courtesy
here to ping a person you name in your post.
I’ll do it this time .. ;)
Japan is the place of her birth
The exception is children born to diplomats and invading armies.
The problem with that argument is it gives a country other than the US the power to determine who may be a natural born citizen of the US. Theoretically, using that logic, another country, say Mali, could grant automatic citizenship to all US citizens. Who then would be eligible to hold the office of president?
Or it could simply mean what it says, birthplace.
If it referred to citizenship, my guess is that it would say "Japanese" and not "Japan".
Well, son, given the context of the paragraph, the author probably didn't feel bound to repeat phrases just to satisfy dimwits of a later age.
You folks are just embarrassing -- grasping at straws.
That’s not a valid argument and here is why.
Another Nation can say anything it wants to. It has exactly zero effect on either us or our laws. It simply doesn’t work that way. The United States does not recognize the authority of any other Nation to do so. It would require that we give up our national sovereignty.
That’s not going to happen.
Let’s stipulate a couple of things here.
1) No one knows precisely what Natural Born Citizen is because SCOTUS has never had a case to decide on, and to make a specific ruling about.
2) There is doubts as to Obama’s TYPE of citizenship - doubts as to whether he is a Natural Born Citizen.
Now, what if we are right and he ISN’T?
If he is GREAT! I am far more concerned about the constitution and it being upheld than I am about what party is in the White House.
If he isn’t, then we don’t have a constitutional government, meaning a few things. 1) the current government can do anything it wants to us. 2) All our laws will not protect us from that government. 3) the Military does not have a commander in chief.
Isn’t THAT important enough to make a definitive decision on? If not for you, then for your children and grandchildren?
Exactly.
Here is a perfect example of what it means to have a father that is not a citizen. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2450437/posts?page=5
Isn’t it obvious?
I'm so sick of this crap. NO OTHER COUNTRY'S LAWS CAN DETERMINE OUR OWN. If, say, Chavez or Castro made a law granting Cuban/Venezuelan citizenship to all Americans at birth, would that make all of them ineligible to be President?
Defending the Constitution is hardly grasping at straws and sorry but lawyers and judges do not get lazy and leave words out. There is a distinct difference between Citizen and Natural Born Citizen.
Secondly, I am not your son so do not address me in that manner. Since you have to address a fellow poster in that manner I can only assume you are an immature adult or in fact a child...or it could be you cannot defend your position so that is what you have to resort to.
Either way, KMA
Obama's Hawaiian birth makes him a natural born US citizen because that is our law. End of story.
Your right - Obama supporters ARE grasping at straws.
Why else would he hide/seal anything pretaining to his past.
An honest man would have nothing to hide, Obama is hiding everything.
Per John Jay “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen”
Now foreign intrique or influence, where and for who did Senator Barack Hussein Obama campaign for and where was this?
Hint; It wasn’t anywhere IN the United States
Sorry to prove you wrong.
Title 8 and the 14th Amendment both state; All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Barack Hussein Obama was under British law, British jurisdiction, and was a British subject at birth.
His own words.
He didn't hide it. The law says it isn't any of your business, just as your BC, school records, etc. isn't any of my business by law.
So then you would leave it to the Brits to decide who is and is not a natural born US citizen.
Wrong, as per the United States Constitution, the President elect shall qualify. Barack Hussein Obama did not produce any evidence that he is Constitutionaly qualified to hold the office he was elected to. FACT!
Amendment 20 - Presidential, Congressional Terms. Ratified 1/23/1933. History
1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Barack Hussein Obama is an illegal undocumented alien.
I'm not "addressing" you, I'm dismissing you.
British Law governs British subjects, Barack Hussein Obama admitted that when he was born he was a British subject and NOT an American citizen.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
The Obot Creed
I believe in Barack Obama, the bearer of Hope and Change
And in his rhetoric, and tales of woe
Who was born of the mother Stanley, in a place unknown
In the sixth year migrated to Indonesia
He ascended to the Senate, and unqualified, usurped the Presidency
Who suffered under Orly Taitz and was slurred by racist birthers
I believe in spreading the wealth
Of the taxes and levies therein,
the loss of freedom, that cost doesn’t matter
That healthcare is free
As long as I don’t have pay
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