Posted on 02/09/2010 12:34:59 PM PST by eeevil conservative
sorry I didn't get anything posted last week...and a special apology to Kerretarded for taking so and messing with his schedule....
I also hope this piece is not too choppy. Just a lot of info to cover without re-typing the whole book! I am trying to keep to highlights that are important without overloading....
Thanks!
Excellent eee.
You’re doing a nice job with this - can you add me to you “alinsky” ping list? Thanks.
thank you Ali!!
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Wow— Thanks so much....it means a lot to hear feedback....it is a LOT of typing! LOL!
Yes, please put me on the Alinksy ping list. thanks.
You have been added!
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I love it when
“Rules” is discovered to be able to go both ways. He may be helping the “right” more than he had ever wished.
LOL - I was a member of The Woodlawn Organization in ‘63 and early ‘64. I never met Alinsky in person - but had a 20 to 30 minute phone conversation with him once - he helped me work through an ethical problem... On a personal level - I liked him - then again I hadn’t read his stuff...
Thanks thanks.
there is no doubt in my mind that he was likable....
most con artists are very likable and enjoy people...they just lack conscience....when I say most- I am not talking about the Madoff kind....
They make friends easily, and like to be helpful to others...but in the end, they ultimately will stop at nothing to meet their own desires....it is all about them, not really about hurting anyone else..
ALinsky truly believed he was helping other folks....but he lacked a soul, any moral compass..... he believed in what he was doing, but he saw him as the main character and everyone else a prop for his own production...manipulation came very easy to him....and many power hungry people have used his underhanded tactics to corrupt the youth and those in real need of self dignity and respect....
Sorry I missed the last ping. I got a lot of pings in the runup to the Super Bowl with people making picks.
The Archive is back up to date.
...with all its repressions we can still speak out and denounce the administration, attack its policies, work to build an opposition political baseTrue, there is government harassment, but there still is the relative freedom to fight. I can attack my government, try to organize to change it. That's more than I can do in Moscow, Peking, or Havana.This is an argument designed to appeal directly to what Limbaugh calls "young skulls full of mush." He is using emotional appeals when reason dictates otherwise. He induces young people to overthrow a government which allows dissent and protest to help install a government which will suppress dissent.
Earlier in his prologue, i, he says, "Few of us survived the Joe McCarthy holocaust of the early 1950s and of those there were even fewer whose understanding and insights had developed beyond the dialectical materialism of orthodox Marxism." While the communists lost a lot of inroads into government and Hollywood during the fifties, the term holocaust is absurd. Julius and EthylRosenberg were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, but to call one execution after a trail a holocaust is ridiculous, particularly when the charge was spying, NOT trying to change government policy.
We need to remember, however, that this book was written to the restless youth to encourage them into political action for the communists. It was written as an emotional argument, not a substantive one, and Alinsky counted upon the fact that the youth who read his book were not mature enough to research his facts, or challenge his reasoning.
I relate my understanding of our republic, to my understanding of the church. The church is not a building where people go to be together, rather it is individuals who have each chosen to become members of the body. Each member has freedom in Christ, but the freedom comes by being—in Christ—
Such is our republic, we the people are the republic and we remain a republic when we remain within the confines of the republic.
America is dangerously close to being completely out of the republic simply because the message of democracy has been so effectively preached that most Americans don’t even know that accepting democracy means subverting their own freedom within the republic.
Turning America back will require a thought revolution akin to a spiritual awakening. We do not need to look to Alinsky to apply his techniques to our worthy cause, because then we cheapen our cause to the manipulative level. Only one thing is required to turn people, and that is to help them remember their God given rights. Another words, keep the lessons of the past ever before them. Wisdom and truth are the ultimate weapon for freedom.
But understanding the Alinsky techniques is vital for us to know what tools are being used against us!
FANTASTIC POINTS!!!
Thank you so much! you and daisy are both contributing to these threads the way I was hoping people would....
really opening the discussion and sharing thoughts on things they notice!
THANKS SO MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU!!
it makes all the work put into this worth it...
it not only validates my own thoughts, but you both add more to what we are doing here.... so it is so much more and bigger than me and my ramblings!
EEE, great work!
Will post PART 5 tomorrow....it may be a bit of a rant as I have had the opportunity over the past few days to post on a few different blog sites which I normally don’t post on and the replies and discussions have opened my eyes to one glaring change that must occur...
I’ll see if I can work it in to my post.
I look forward to the rant!!
thanks so much!
The hippie generation (that are the people holding positions in our government today)... went to extremes in their anti establishment, rock and roll, free love, drugs, communes, Haight ashbury, live in a van, Volkswagen van. Flower power, etc. It is what has strongly formed the ‘baby boomer’ generation and all subsequent generations since. etc. Some of them grew up belatedly and moved into the the business of making a living and raising a family and finally got caught up in out doing each other in decadence of extravagance. Baby sitters raised the children of many. Etc.
Many factors came into play. Today we are amid a society that has been educated by professors, television, books, even Church programs about all of us being liberal/progressive, taking care of the poor whether they abide by any rules or standards or laws at all.
Our utter lack of having goals and real education for the masses is despicable. HOW TO UNDO ALL OF THIS?
The illegal immigrants coming from Mexico are accustomed to a absolutely destitution, no education, labor intensive, steal to survive environment.
It serves to create a voting block that yearn for the so called platform of the Democrats.
the Republicans are not good at getting the truth out in discernible language. It is DIFFICULT BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
Right now things are rather bleak. Face it.
To turn things around we must be more vocal with positive ideas and ways to develop them.
Some believed Obama was going to Washington to get wealth, and directly give it to them.
God help us in our day, in Jesus name, amen.
“Alinsky makes it clear that the goal is to change the world into what he thinks it should be, by working within the system. He wants people to feel frustrated, defeated, lost and futureless so they are willing to let go of the past.”
This is exactly the basis of the “Hope and Change” campaign. I began to notice the sowing of seeds of pessimism coming from Hillary when she first started her presidential campaign but when Mr. and Mrs. 0 got going it was overwhelming. The first time I heard of/read the list of rules for radicals, I just heard loud reverberations of those two voices in my head. This is how they set up their speeches—telling everyone how miserable they were and their audience already completely primed to blaming Bush and the R’s for everything they could think of, were all too willing to agree with this dispairing point of view. And then as soon as they are feeling sufficiently “futureless” they threw in the magic words of “Hope” and “Change”. The R’s can use the same tactic too this year and in 2012 and probably with greater justification but I would hope that somehow they can inspire with a positive vision reminding the people of who they are and what America really stands for. People need to be inspired to hope in America and not some politician selling himself as a self-annointed messiah.
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