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Was John McCain Brainwashed While Imprisoned In North Vietnam? (he called U.S. vets "criminals")
examiner.com ^ | 2010-01-31 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 01/31/2010 9:11:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385

It is nothing short of incredible that a combat veteran who has claimed to be a conservative Senator has led the fight to reward with amnesty, the millions of Mexican and Central American nationals who have entered this nation illegally. While the betrayal of the American people on behalf of foreign invaders by Sen. John McCain may be puzzling to most, the former POW actually has somewhat of a history of betraying his fellow citizens in favor of a foreign enemy.

The question of McCain's true motives should be examined.

On October 26, 1967, U.S. Navy Lt. John McCain was shot down over North Vietnam by a Soviet-made surface-to-air missile. As a result of ejecting from his plane, McCain suffered two broken arms and a broken leg. He was immediately captured by an angry mob and turned over to NVA soldiers, who broke his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbed his foot with a bayonet. He was then taken to the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton.'

Once in a cell, he was beaten and interrogated daily. Still being refused medical treatment and in severe pain, McCain agreed to talk in exchange for medical treatment. He was then taken to a nearby hospital. McCain described the events in his 1999 book Faith of My Fathers, in which he said: "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

The North Vietnamese Army discovered that Lt. McCain was the son of Adm. John McCain Jr., commander of the Pacific Fleet, and his grandfather was Adm. John McCain Sr. who commanded aircraft carriers under Adm. Bill Halsey in the Pacific during World War II. Because of his family's powerful military heritage, the NVA believed that Lt. McCain would one day hold a prominent position in the U.S. government. He then became the target of incredible torture and attempts at re-education, some sessions were reportedly conducted by Soviet officers.

McCain has said that he was regularly visited by senior communist Vietnamese officials. One visitor was famous NVA Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap.

Eventually, McCain signed a letter claiming to be a war criminal and apologizing for the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He also did many radio and television interviews, some with foreign correspondents which is a severe violation of the military code of conduct.

Despite John McCain's years of painful torture at the hands of the NVA, he has been Hanoi's strongest advocate in the U.S. Senate. For years, he pushed for the normalization of relations with communist Vietnam, even though that country has never fully cooperated on the issue of American POW's.

In 1992, John McCain was serving on the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. Vietnamese officials began to complain that American POW/MIA activists (mostly family members of the missing men) were causing too many problems and posed a threat to lifting the U.S. trade embargo on Vietnam. Incredibly, Senator and former POW McCain then went on a campaign against the POW/MIA activists and accused them of fraud. McCain once said of the families: "The people who have done these things are not zealots in a good cause. They are criminals and some of the most craven, most cynical, and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam."

Sen. McCain demanded and received a U.S. Justice Department investigation of the two major POW/MIA activist groups. Of course, no fraud, as McCain alleged, was ever found. The families were left angry and mystified as to why McCain had betrayed them. McCain succeeded and the trade embargo against communist Vietnam was lifted, and there has never been a full accounting of North Vietnamese atrocities against American POWs.

In 1992, NVA Col. Bui Tin, who interrogated McCain in the Hanoi Hilton, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He told the Senators (including McCain) that Soviet officers regularly interrogated and tortured American POW's. During a break in the proceedings, Sen. McCain and Col. Tin enjoyed a hug and exchanged the kind of longing looks that a man would usually share with his long-lost father, or perhaps in McCain's case...His comrade?

Just as John McCain has collaborated with the Vietnamese enemy, he has collaborated with the leaders of the Mexican Reconquista movement for some time. Among other outrages, he has spoken at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza for the last several years.

As one of the keynote speakers at the 2004 conference, he told the zealous crowd: "It is in our national interest to bring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and allow them an opportunity to become citizens of this great nation."

After the massive illegal alien protests in 2006, McCain made the following statement: "If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail."

Under Sen. McCain's immigration bill, even members of Mexican drug gangs would have received amnesty by simply signing a statement in which they renounce their gang affiliation. The so-called 'background checks' that illegal aliens would have been given were only of the 24-hour variety, which reveal very little, if anything and would then be given a six-month worker card. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would have traveled around the country handing-out amnesty applications to suspected illegal aliens, and all immigration enforcement would have ended.

McCain's plan would spell the end of United States sovereignty. So why would the son and grandson of fiercely proud American warriors, and he himself a combat veteran who suffered tremendous torture at the hands of the criminal North Vietnamese so readily come to the aid of that enemy and attack the families of the men with whom he served? Why would this same man so incredibly betray his own country by granting amnesty to those who sneak into this country´s back door, when so many are waiting to enter America through the front door?

The answers to the aforementioned questions lie deep with Sen. McCain's psyche, which should now be subject to examination. I am not suggesting that McCain set out to betray his country when he began his career at the U.S. Naval Academy in 1954, nor as he flew 23 missions over North Vietnam. However, it would appear that under extreme torture and indoctrination at the hands of his communist captors, he may have been turned...Turned against his own country and sent back to dismantle that country. It is a possibility that needs to be investigated.

When someone with the background of Sen. John McCain is ready to sell-out his fellow POW's and turn the United States into a Third World nation...No other explanation could truly suffice.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: brainwashing; communists; juanmccain; manchurianmccain; mccain; mccain4communism; mccain4fascism; mccain4socialism; mccainantiamerica; mccaintruthfile; mcdemocrat; mclame; mcrino; mctraitor; rino; rinos4obama; traitor; traitormccain; vietnam
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To: onyx

I am a Vietnam veteran and I LOATHE Juan McLame. Your defense of the indefensible speaks volumes about you and none of it good.


101 posted on 02/01/2010 6:36:42 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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To: rabscuttle385

You are a hate mongering bastard.


102 posted on 02/01/2010 6:42:24 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
The RINO higher ups in the RNC have backed him for years...

I'm well aware of that, but I wasn't referring to the GOP higher-ups. I was referring to the PEOPLE of Arizona, the Republican voters in particular, who continued to elect & re-elect him time & time again.

Considering the conservative ICON that he replaced (AuH2O), Juan McCain should have been a "one-termer"!

103 posted on 02/01/2010 7:17:53 AM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: ChrisInAR

“I was referring to the PEOPLE of Arizona, the Republican voters in particular, who continued to elect & re-elect him time & time again.”

I can’t argue with you here. It isn’t easy to defeat an incumbent who has big money and the Party apparatus behind him. However, THIS time, down he goes!


104 posted on 02/01/2010 7:32:32 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: oldenuff2no

“You may not agree with his politics but he has earned the respect of this country.”

Benedict Arnold was once considered a war hero.


105 posted on 02/01/2010 7:33:47 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: verity; rabscuttle385

“You are a hate mongering bastard.”

Regarding McCain, who LIVES to beat up on conservatives? ;-)


106 posted on 02/01/2010 7:35:48 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Actions speak louder than words and his actions say “ABSOLUTELY.”


107 posted on 02/01/2010 7:38:05 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I hope you’re right. I’m not sure if JD will be able to beat the Dim should he beat McCain in the primaries, but the more thought of sending McCain back home puts a smile on my face.

BTW, Obama is playing the blame game (AGAIN) against President Bush as I type this......


108 posted on 02/01/2010 7:43:59 AM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: ChrisInAR

With unemployment as high as it is, illegal immigration will be uppermost on the people’s mind. Also, McCain was pro amnesty.


109 posted on 02/01/2010 7:47:48 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: rabscuttle385
"

Raymond Shaw, John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

110 posted on 02/01/2010 7:49:13 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: exit82; All

“I hope JD Hayworth kicks his @ss right back to Phoenix.”

Indians, Lobbyists and Arizona Politics...OH MY!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2440173/posts

[snip]The scene is the Foxwoods Resort Casino in Connecticut . The year 2000. The congressman has $100 chips stacked high, having a grand time at the crap table. He likes to gamble and isn’t afraid to show some temper when he loses. Along for the ride are his campaign manager and one of the two biggest lobbyist handing out campaign money from various Indian tribes who was also a 20 year friend of the legislator.

By now we’ve all heard about the money J.D. Hayworth received from an Indian tribe by way of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who was one of the two big boys in Indian tribe money lobbying.

Pot, meet Kettle....

However, it was not J.D. Hayworth, nor Jack Abramoff at the crap table. It was Senator John McCain, campaign manager and Indian lobbyist in his own right, Rick Davis, along with Scott Reed, now the one remaining big time lobbyist handling the tribes and their money.

National Review wrote:

“That would be this New York Times story, describing McCain playing the craps table with Rick Davis and Scott Reed. Davis is a longtime McCain friend and associate, currently his campaign manager, who runs a lobbying firm that represented Indian tribes with casino interests. Reed also worked as a lobbyist for Indian tribes, but he was also Bob Dole’s campaign manager in 1996, where McCain is a top surrogate”

Another article further describes the scene.

” McCain was betting at a casino he oversaw as a member of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, and he was doing so with the lobbyist who represents that casino.

The visit had been arranged by the lobbyist, Scott Reed, who works for the Mashantucket Pequots, a tribe that has contributed heavily to McCain’s campaigns and built Foxwoods into the world’s second-largest casino. Joining them was Rick Davis, McCain’s campaign manager. Their night of good fortune epitomized not just McCain’s affection for gambling, but also the close relationship he has built with the gambling industry and its lobbyists during his 25-year career in Congress.

As a two-time chairman of the Indian Affairs Committee, McCain has done more than any other member of Congress to shape the laws governing America’s casinos, helping to transform the once-sleepy Indian gambling business into a $26-billion-a-year behemoth with 423 casinos across the country.

As factions of the ferociously competitive gambling industry have vied for an edge, they have found it advantageous to cultivate a relationship with McCain or hire someone who has one, according to an examination based on more than 70 interviews and thousands of pages of documents.

McCain portrays himself as a Washington maverick unswayed by special interests, referring recently to lobbyists as “birds of prey.” Yet in his current campaign, more than 40 fund-raisers and top advisers have lobbied or worked for an array of gambling interests - including tribal and Las Vegas casinos, lottery companies, and online poker purveyors.

When rules being considered by Congress threatened a California tribe’s planned casino in 2005, McCain helped spare the tribe. Its lobbyist, who had no prior experience in the gambling industry, had a nearly 20-year friendship with McCain.”

Hayworth’s explanation of the Abramoff contribution is spelled out by him here. Hayworth got direct contributions of $2,250 from Abramoff, which was donated to charity, Hurricane Katrina relief. The Indian tribe in question insisted the money they gave by way of Abramoff be kept by Hayworth.

Hayworth’s exoneration of any criminal charges, by the US Dept. of Justice is in a letter from them here.

The McCain campaign is trying to use this non issue to destroy Hayworth, while indulging in bigger tribe money and underhanded backroom deals far surpassing anything Jack Abramoff pulled.

McCain has been chair of the Indian affairs committee since 2005, having served on it for many years prior. He used this position to bring down Abramoff, who was second only to handing out tribe dollars to McCain’s man Scott Reed. Some have speculated the move was not so much to rid politics of the likes of Abramoff, but to gain a monopoly on tribe campaign dollars. There’s even a book, ‘The Perfect Villain: John McCain and the Demonization of Jack Abramoff’ speculating McCain’s motives.


111 posted on 02/01/2010 7:51:55 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: SoCalPol; rabscuttle385

“Interesting how some make McCain the enemy of America
when the real enemy, Al-Qaida, Ahmadinejad, Ben Laden,
etc, who have attacked and killed thousands of Americas. Attacked European and other countries and killed
thousands.”

I think you know that more Americans have died EVERY year at the hands of illegal aliens (mostly Mexican) since 9/11 than by any of the ones you listed. And YES, we can thank John McCain and those who continue to defend him and the other open border fools . He has blood on his hands. US citizen blood.

What is an Army?? By the US Border patrol.

http://www.usborderpatrol.com/Border_Patrol901_10.htm
Immigrant Effects, Part 10 (all 10 parts are amazing!)

The United States of America spent over forty years defending itself against a terrible foe. That foe was the Soviet Union.

The United States built 70,000 nuclear weapons of 65 different types to protect ourselves from a Soviet army of two million men. That two million man army was composed of Christians (the govenment leaders were definately not Christian) who were responsible for fine art, fine music, the first man in space and rockets to the moon.

What makes up an army? An army is made of men between the age of 15 and 35.

What comes across our border by the millions each year? Men between the ages of 15 and 35.

Afghan drug lords are now teamed with Mexican drug cartels to flood our cities with heroin. In Mexico, this Muslim Connnection to the drug cartels has brought beheadings to the streets of border towns. Many Mexican cities are now surrounded by Mexican Army troops and tanks — all to quel the violence. The city of Tijuana had its entire 3,000 man police force disarmed and replaced with Mexican Federal Troops.

What we have below are two images. One is of an enemy we fought tooth and claw for seventy years nearly bankrupting our country. The other we today invite across our border with welfare, free medical care, and more. The centers of many American cities are now controlled by MS-13 and others of the most violent gangs in America’s entire history. These gangs want to kill police and federal agents to rise in reputation among their own kind. Our prisons are now filled with a violent criminal class never seen before anywhere on earth.

In all of the 70 years of the Soviet Union — including the years of the proxy war of Vietnam.— they killed fewer Americans in total than Mexican Illegal Aliens do inside this country in a single year.


112 posted on 02/01/2010 8:01:47 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Favor Center
And when he crossed the line he was held accountable. To listen to some of the posts here John McCain must have a dozen investigations going against him. Not true. The comparisons and analogies just don't work. Just because a few people say the words does not make it true.
Proof, provable truth, facts, facts derived from research are what is utilized for prosecutions. I like how it is in the UK on issues like this. If a person or a news organization makes a claim that a person is a traitor or a criminal then they have to prove it it court.. When they don't they pay all of the legal fees for both sides and a large settlement. They do not believe that freedom of speech covers the right to claim that a person is a criminal unless they can actually prove it. You shouldn't be able to make unproven unsupported claims for political gain. This is one of those things that has made American politics very ugly.
113 posted on 02/01/2010 8:05:56 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: SoCalPol

“Al-Qaida”

McCain supported the Al-Qaeda-affiliated KLA.


114 posted on 02/01/2010 8:08:46 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: oldenuff2no

“And when he crossed the line he was held accountable. “

So should McCain be.

McCain is a traitor. He is on record as agreeing with Juan Hernandez - a traitor. He has conspired and given aid and comfort to our enemies from Vietnam to Al Qaeda. He has worked to bring down our economy with “cap and trade”. He has actively worked to subvert the United States Constitution. He has violated his oath.

In short, yes, I can prove he’s scum.


115 posted on 02/01/2010 8:11:55 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: rabscuttle385; sickoflibs

John McCain is just the Republican version of Obama — a wanna-be dictator piece of despotic traitorous garbage. Other Republicans are forced to kiss his ring to get anywhere, whether they want to or not, because they are afraid of him.

But, the only thing that I think that McCain learned in that NV prison camp was that HE wanted to be the man in charge. Furious over feeling helpless, when McCain got out, he demanded to have the same life & death power over others — and we are now those “others”. I don’t think that the old bastard loves anything — and certainly not his country — he is just a hate-filled narcissist, whose in love with himself and his own power. He’d sell out his mother for a cup of coffee — and has sold out his country for a whole lot less.

McCain has got to go. Go JD!


116 posted on 02/01/2010 8:41:47 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: All
Truth About World War II MIAs Still Covered Up

Tucson Citizen, November 9, 1992 By Richard L. Felman

TUCSON, AZ. The recent glut of news stories proclaiming our government’s all-out effort to get at the truth about missing servicemen in Vietnam in reality was nothing more than election-time grandstanding.

It brings to mind the political maneuvering behind the scenes that I personally experienced in another MIA situation. As a group of former MIAs, we have had 47 years of firsthand exposure to the depths to which our State Department will sink to withhold the truth about MIAs from Congress and the American people if it will interfere with its foreign policy of appeasement.

During World War II, I was one of more than 500 American airmen listed as missing in action for periods of up to 18 months after being shot down over German-occupied Yugoslavia.

Only through the courageous efforts of General Draza Mihailovich’s anti-communist guerrilla forces were we able to avoid capture, be gathered up at a central point and air-evacuated to safety at our bases in Italy.

To this day, the “Halyard Operation” remains the largest one-time rescue of Americans from behind enemy lines in our nation’s history. For political reasons, it has been covered up by our State Department.

During a recent visit to the archives at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, authorities at the highest level told me they could not believe there had been no record of such an historic rescue in their files.

Since the end of World War II, our group has petitioned Congress to allow us to publicly express our gratitude to those on foreign soil responsible for saving our lives while we were serving in defense of our country. Unfortunately, we have been fought every step of the way by the State Department’s fear that the truth would offend the postwar communist government of Yugoslavia.

Even though that government no longer exists, the State Department continues to this very day to vigorously oppose the bills we now have before Congress, which have the support of the 8 million members of the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Air Force Association.

At the local level, we have been supported by the Arizona State Legislature, the Arizona American Legion, the Tucson Veterans Affairs Committee, former Sen. Barry Goldwater, former U.S. Rep. Mo Udall, and former Gov. Rose Mofford.

The political ramifications of this deception have been so far-reaching that our recent appeal to Dante B. Fascell, chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, parroted the standard State Department denial together with the following explanation: “What is at stake concerns not simply the sensitivity and opposition of the official Yugoslav government, but also several ethnic groups in Yugoslavia as well.”

It sets a terribly frightening precedent when the legitimate requests of American citizens on an internal matter are opposed by the U.S. government on the basis that it might upset some foreign government and its ethnic groups.

Worthy of mention is some background of our ongoing struggle. In 1977, the U.S. Senate passed legislation granting our committee permission to erect a simple memorial in Washington to be financed with private funds. Nine days after the bill passed, the American ambassador to Yugoslavia, Lawrence S. Eagleburger, fired off his protest conveying the Yugoslavian government’s “extreme distaste for the Senate move.”

In a strongly worded recommendation against “further action,” his letter stated: “Passage by the House of this legislation would have an extremely adverse impact on our bilateral relations with Yugoslavia. Rightly or wrongly, the Yugoslavs look upon the bill as a provocation and would react to its passage accordingly.”

This stand has been the etched-in-stone policy of the State Department ever since and the reason why our bills have never gotten out of the House committee.

It should be noted that after serving as Ambassador to Yugoslavia, Eagleburger left the State Department and earned more than $900,000 a year as a director of a Yugoslav bank later convicted of money laundering and as a director on the board at Yugo Cars. After Yugo Cars went broke, Eagleburger returned to the State Department, replaced James Baker, and is now acting Secretary of State.

My hopes for finally uncovering the truth were raised when we elected U.S. Senator John McCain, R-Ariz., to represent us. I felt he could identify with what it meant to be rescued, since he was shot down in enemy territory and endured five years of torture in Vietnam.

It took me almost seven years to get an appointment with him. While expressing sympathy for our effort, McCain told me he could do nothing. Instead of calling for the investigation I requested of our serious charges – withholding the truth from members of Congress and using taxpayer funds to disseminate communist propaganda are federal offenses – he told me the only way to get at the truth would be for me to write the 435 members of the house of Representatives and get a majority of them to support our effort.

I thought the reason the people of Arizona elected politicians was to represent them in Washington.

At this point, our disillusioned group of aging veterans has given up trying to repay our nation’s debt of honor to those on foreign soil who saved American lives. After risking our lives and watching our buddies in combat get their arms, legs and heads blown off, we returned home to find an uncaring bloated bureaucracy that treated our service to country with contemptuous disregard.

After 47 years of disappointments our noble effort has failed. How can we expect the government to level with the American people about the MIAs in Vietnam, when they are still covering up the truth about the MIAs from World War II?

117 posted on 02/01/2010 8:54:25 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe; rabscuttle385

I get the impression you are not supporting McCain :)

I think amnesty did him in the most. I am still amazed he got the 2008 nomination and that many Republicans really liked him(my neighbors did).


118 posted on 02/01/2010 9:03:29 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs
I get the impression you are not supporting McCain :) I think amnesty did him in the most. I am still amazed he got the 2008 nomination and that many Republicans really liked him(my neighbors did).

There were warning signs on McCain long before that, but Amnesty was the kicker that finally screamed who and what he was to everyone.

119 posted on 02/01/2010 9:09:55 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

Back 2008 I was convinced that if JM was president with that democrat congress we would have been doomed, OK, we are doomed now, but even worse with Mccain. Obama’s excuses are wearing thin now but if McCain was president signing democrat reforms there could be no real opposition to them. More bi-partision nightmares leave voters with no choice but stay home or third party, truly none.

And “Voting for Sarah” in 2008 was a complete cop-out as McCain was running for pres. .


120 posted on 02/01/2010 9:22:54 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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