Posted on 01/29/2010 2:49:19 PM PST by hecht
The jewicidal Marty Peretz, the archetype of the Jewish liberal, is SHOCKED! shocked, I tell ya, to find Obama is ........... anti-Israel. This asshattery would be knee-slappingly funny if the stakes weren't so high. The Jewish liberals helped deliver this misojudaist (Jew hater) to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and are responsible for the dramatic rise in global anti-Jewish life.
Maybe I’m Getting Paranoid … About Obama Marty Peretz, TNR
I just read the transcript of the president's remarks about Haiti, the ones he made on January 15. He noted that, in addition to assistance from the United States, significant aid had also come from "Brazil, Mexico, Canada, France, Colombia, and the Dominican Republic, among others." Am I missing another country that truly weighed in with truly consequential assistance? Ah, yes. There it is. Right there "among others." Yes, the country to which I refer is "among others," that one.
The fact is that, next to our country, Israel sent the largest contingent of trained rescue workers, doctors, and other medical personnel. The Israeli field hospital was the only one on the ground that could perform real surgery, which it did literally hundreds of times, while delivering--as of last week--at least 16 babies, including one premature infant and three caesarians. The first 250-odd Israelis were real professionals, and they were supplemented by others, also professionals. And to these can be added the many organized Jews from the Diaspora who, in solidarity with Israel, also went on a work pilgrimage, an aliyah, in solidarity with Haiti.
It's not that Israeli participation in the Haiti horror was being kept secret. I myself saw it reported several times on television—on ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
So didn't Obama notice? For God's sake, everybody noticed the deep Israeli involvement. I understand that Obama doesn't like Middle East narratives that do not contain "one side and the other side" equal valence. But he couldn't have that here. The Arabs don't care a fig, not for their impoverished and backward own, and certainly not for strangers. That's why their presence in Haiti amounted to a couple of bucks from Saudi Arabia and maybe from some other sheikhs.
An afterthought: Who would want Arab participation in the rescue effort? This was serious work and dangerous work. Amateurs weren't welcome.
Yes, I think that the labors of the Israelis were edited out of Obama's speech.
Also no mention that the UN made Israel take down and move a field hospital which was the only hospital on the ground in Haiti that could actually perform surgeries, ONLY because it was Israeli. Damn the people of Haiti rather than have them treated by Jews.
Practically EVERYONE in NYC is a flaming liberal, not just Jews.
It never ceases to amaze me that with as many conservative Jews from all over the country that post on FR, every single thread that even mentions the “J” word is full of these kinds of one size fits all statements.
I head up the RINO FREE AMERICA Project. How does that fit into your one size fits all scenario?
You haven't got a clue. Unless you're talking about roads or mail delivery, government does nothing for me, or for anyone I know. Nor do I want it to do anything for me, except leave me and my earnings alone.
ML/NJ
Geez you are taking this like a personal attack.
I am not talking about you. I am talking about the generic Jewish liberal I have spent so many years living with.
They do expect the government to do things for them we never would. They pay huge taxes, and they vote to pay them. Their attitude is, “I’ll pass any budget for education and such,” and then they feel they are entitled to things because of those taxes.
I spent time arguing with one last year because in my old school district they finally voted against a tax increase, and as a result they were cutting a DANCE program attended by EIGHT children at $150K. (Public school program) He was upset it was cut, and he didn’t even have a child in it!
Just talk to the FDR libs. They are full of stories how great the programs were, and they’ve culturally passed that down to their kids. “When I was 10 I attended a workshop/got a job/was given such and such/ by the government, and it saved my life! God bless FDR!”
Now obviously you haven’t drunk the Koolaid. Great for you. And yes, of course there are lots like you. But there are even more like I’ve described, and there are whole towns blue with them on Long Island.
Geez you are taking this like a personal attack.
I am not talking about you. I am talking about the generic Jewish liberal I have spent so many years living with.
They do expect the government to do things for them we never would. They pay huge taxes, and they vote to pay them. Their attitude is, “I’ll pass any budget for education and such,” and then they feel they are entitled to things because of those taxes.
I spent time arguing with one last year because in my old school district they finally voted against a tax increase, and as a result they were cutting a DANCE program attended by EIGHT children at $150K. (Public school program) He was upset it was cut, and he didn’t even have a child in it!
Just talk to the FDR libs. They are full of stories how great the programs were, and they’ve culturally passed that down to their kids. “When I was 10 I attended a workshop/got a job/was given such and such/ by the government, and it saved my life! God bless FDR!”
Now obviously you haven’t drunk the Koolaid. Great for you. And yes, of course there are lots like you. But there are even more like I’ve described, and there are whole towns blue with them on Long Island.
By the way, here is something I read on wiki just last week about Carl Reiner, the father of Rob, who is a leader in the effort to get the government to spend more money on education:
“Reiner was born in the Bronx, New York, the son of... Jewish immigrants... When he was sixteen, his older brother Charlie read in the New York Daily News about a free dramatic workshop being put on by the Works Progress Administration and told him about it. He had been working as a machinist fixing sewing machines. He credits Charlie with changing his career plans.”
Believe it or not, there is a libertarian discussion group that meets monthly in NYC, and there used to be a monthly social for conservative intellectuals and writers there as well. There have been a decent number of Jewish folks at these events, some celebrities to various degrees.
NYC has such a large population that it is possible to find people there who don't go along with leftist conventions.
They are progressives.
This image of Roosevelt as a "saint" among Jews is dying a natural death as that generation dies off. It obviously neglects the sobering historical facts of (1) Roosevelt's policies not curing the Great Depression and (2) Roosevelt's less than stellar record in dealing with the Nazi oppression of Jews in Europe.
Right now demographic factors favor an overall Jewish shift to the right, since more liberal Jews are having smaller families and losing their Jewish identities more than more socially conservative and observant Jews.Yes, I still care, you overgeneralized in your earlier posts about Jews, lumping all in the same basket, for which we were justifiably teed off.
I’m sorry, I thought it was clear that I was talking only about the liberal Jew who votes Democrat in a “yellow dog” way. Of course there are always exceptions, and people like freepers who vote on actual logic and observation, not as a cultural phenomenon.
I’m sorry about the half double post. Halfway through my typing I dropped my keyboard, and did not realize it caused me to send half a post. My screen didn’t change so I’m still not sure what happened.
Hence the word, “practically.” I’m in the deep, deep sticks, a redneck for sure, and I avoid big cities like the plague they are. Out here, I am a majority of one, and I like it that way.
Roosevelt...the same Roosevelt that refused to allow the St. Louis to dock with those fleeing Hitler. The same Roosevelt who refused to even accept Jewish CHILDREN fleeing Hitler and the coming Holocaust. The same Roosevelt who believed Jews were a different race. The same Roosevelt with one of the most anti-semitic wives in American history.
The same Roosevelt:
“The Roosevelt administration knew about the mass murder going on in Auschwitz but rejected proposals to bomb it on the grounds that bombing would have required a diversion of military resources. In fact, U.S. planes were already in the skies over Auschwitz. In one of the raids on the oil factories, stray U.S. bombs accidentally struck an SS barracks and part of the railway line leading into the death camp. But the gas chambers and crematoria were never targeted.
“The refusal to bomb Auschwitz was part of a broader policy by the Roosevelt administration to refrain from taking action to rescue or shelter Jewish refugees during the Holocaust. Tragically, the United States turned away from one of history’s most compelling moral challenges.”
Yeah. hero. Feh!
I'm not sure though, given the technology if the time, if US bombers could have accurately targeted the Nazi barracks at Auschwitz while being certain to spare the prisoners. Aerial bombing was no where near as precise in WWII as it later became.
What is your source for your claim about Eleanor Roosevelt's alleged antisemitism? Never heard that before, but I'd be interested to find out about it.
That is ridiculous, are you the same guy that is always trying to push that nonsense?
It is Jews voting 79% liberal, living in the city does not have that same effect on everyone else.
All of the above are equally false, of course, and equally biased.
You see what you want to see.
A full study of bombing accuracy by the Army Air Force in 1947 revealed that high altitude daylight bombing was just 6% accurate -- only 6 in every 100 bombs hit the target. To have bombed the concentration camps would have killed most of the prisoners.
I never said “All of them”. I know there are always exceptions. I am making generalizations of why a large number vote Democrat.
If you come to FL I will tell you about a gun culture here. I may say, we all have guns here, but I know darn well many Floridians not only don’t have guns but have a NY like horror of them. (And yes, I know there are NYers that like guns too!) It’s just a colloquial manner of speaking, I don’t mean it to sound foolish or racist or have you think I am so.
The point I was making was there is a very great respect for education in the Jewish community. This stems from several things, one of which I believe is the religious tradition of respecting learning, the Torah et al. There is also a strong immigrant memory of being poor. If you go to the garment district in NYC, there is a statue of a Jewish tailor, that always strikes me emotionally.
I’ve always had the conviction that a small philosophical distance in a culture can make a huge difference in the way that culture generally operates, even if many members don’t own the belief. (Carl Reiner, who I used as an example earlier, is a strong atheist.) I often, when faced with a cultural difference, try to go back to fundamental beliefs and causations to try and see why people do what they do.
This is a personal philosophy of mine. A belief percolates through a community until it makes a change, and that change can be so marked as to make that culture carve its own, strongly noticeable niche in this world. This can also be a point of bias, as whether the difference is good or bad, many people outside the culture will still resent it. (”They are all successful Wall Street or doctors or dentists!”)
Now directly to a point several people have made, I’ve noticed also that simply because Jewish people may not actually USE public education services, as Democrats they will still VOTE for them, in the strong belief that it is so important for the poor to have free and good education. Education is very important in the community.
Whatever. East coast. One giant suburb of NYC until it hits DC and becomes a giant suburb of DC.
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