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To: djf
"It would be quite a wake up call. I mean we can all put signs around saying “Looters will be shot on sight”, but how do you explain that to the woman down the street when you just put a .308 through her 16 year old son? OR daughter?"

What about when they show up on your doorstep with straving little ones? That's one of my nightmares and one that could cause my downfall.
50 posted on 01/24/2010 9:52:10 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Definitely a nightmare scenario.

Can’t rule it out, but not sure it would happen. I can’t see a defenseless woman walkin the streets and knocking on doors.

But that in a way brings up a good point. If the SHTF, do you first day head out on your front porch and start to charbeque all you steaks?

Or do you lay low, leave the generator SHUT OFF FOR THE FIRST WEEK OR SO, and try to just not draw attention?

I’m inclined to think the second.
Don’t advertise, don’t do anything to draw attention, keep the lights OFF!!!


52 posted on 01/24/2010 10:00:17 AM PST by djf (The one thing we know is how much we don't know!)
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To: Kartographer
What about when they show up on your doorstep with straving little ones? That's one of my nightmares and one that could cause my downfall.

One of the primary reasons that I prepare, is so that I can offer help in emergencies.

An emergency shouldn't change you much, in my survival scenarios, I don't see me suddenly becoming indifferent to helping women and children, and even men.

My plan is to lay low and be unapproachable (for supplies, not for anything else) for a while and let people find their own levels, and to give them time to switch into their own survival modes and learn on their own where resources are and for them to readjust their expectations, and shake out the chafe, and the worthless ones.

After a couple of weeks of that, then I should be able to know where to try and fill the gaps to help keep some people alive, and sane.

65 posted on 01/24/2010 11:14:18 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: Kartographer
"What about when they show up on your doorstep with straving little ones? That's one of my nightmares and one that could cause my downfall."

IMO, we should all try to store more than we can use for charity. If there's plenty for distribution points, they won't have to come to our doorsteps.


154 posted on 01/24/2010 9:25:07 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Kartographer
What's to explain? Why you wasted a 308 on a kid?

Seriously 16 year olds are fair game around here. Most of them a POS punks.

All my neighbors know that looting will not be tolerated. Oh and my street is full of Mormons and they are ok with that as long as I do the dirty work.

178 posted on 01/25/2010 7:08:12 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: Kartographer
"...What about when they show up on your doorstep with starving little ones? That's one of my nightmares and one that could cause my downfall...."

You raise an excellent point, and for many this is the crux of the matter: We exist in a society and culture that values "feelings" over hard decisions. We are gregarious animals that think of ouselves relative to those around us, and not in a vacuum.

The idea that in a time of crisis we may have to turn away those in need is repulsive and horrifying (and indeed, goes counter to all that we have been programmed to believe the last 50 years by our liberal culture), but to simply stick your head in the sand and ignore this horriying concept(like my wife, for instance) does a disservice to everyone you love. This is because someday, the food that feeds your neighbors must be snatched from the hand of your child, and vice versa.

No one knows exactly what the future holds, but to mull over this philosophical point before it becomes a reality is very important, and may be the key to your survival in the Coming Hard Times.

I went through my entire family and made a mental list of the relatives I am willing to take in. Out of my side of the family, the answer is ZERO. They are Obama voters, and even their children are polluted by poor parenting and have bad attitudes/are obstinate. On my wifes side there are 3: My nieces, who are old enough and resposible enough to carry out simple tasks without supervision, and may theoreticaly bring a high dowry in the future (toeheads, yay!). All my/my wife's other family members are on their own, as I cannot support them and my own family without some of us dying, and I will not accept anyone into my home who is not willing to obey me. I explained this to my wife, and it made her cry.

187 posted on 01/25/2010 8:15:54 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: Kartographer

An extra 20lb sack of rice (200 servings) doesn’t cost much nor takes much space.


195 posted on 01/25/2010 9:05:01 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Virtue is to be apologized for. Depravity commands respect. - Galt)
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To: Kartographer
What about when they show up on your doorstep with starving little ones? That's one of my nightmares and one that could cause my downfall.

I had a discussion with some family members over exactly that - what if the woman with a baby comes to the door... I decided that the woman provides way too many unknowns and brings a potential large variety of issues with her, many of which can cause serious adverse outcomes with MY food supply. Therefore (and the best way I would still be able to sleep at night) I decided if it happens to me, I will take the kid, but the woman is gonna have to go elsewhere.
234 posted on 02/18/2010 9:53:59 AM PST by Frogtacos (Horse lovers are stable people.)
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