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What Might Steorn's 'Free Energy' Technology Mean?
FreeEnergyTimes ^ | Jan 8, 2010 | Freeenergytimes

Posted on 01/10/2010 1:37:48 PM PST by Normandy

I have been following the details of Steorn's ongoing public launch here for a while now - and apparently there is still lots to be revealed between now and the rest of January. Many people are watching and waiting to see if more conclusive proof of Steorn's claims will be forthcoming.

The reason I have given Steorn and its technology so much time and attention is the revolutionary nature of what the company is claiming and the manner in which they are presenting it to the public. It appears they will be going to great lengths later this months to provide validation of their Orbo technology in a public forum. If Orbo truly does provide "free, clean and constant energy at the point of use", then Sean McCarthy is not exaggerating in saying that Steorn is offering a technology that could "change everything".

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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Someone should build an engine that runs on carbon dioxide.


21 posted on 01/10/2010 2:58:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

Now that would be a neat trick.


22 posted on 01/10/2010 2:59:18 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think Steorn is looking beyond the grid. CEO Sean McCarthy has stated, “The availability of free energy will change everything, the availability of free energy in the form of Orbo is even more significant since it can be engineered directly into devices, i.e. no grid connections are required. So Orbo will impact every aspect of our lives”

http://www.freeenergytimes.com/?p=46


23 posted on 01/10/2010 3:00:24 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy

Capital H. Small y. Small p. Small e.


24 posted on 01/10/2010 3:02:15 PM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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To: Normandy
If it worked, they'd be selling perpetual batteries already.

Since it doesn't work, they're selling hype.

25 posted on 01/10/2010 3:04:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Normandy

It’s a scam on so many levels I’m not sure where to begin:

1: The rotor is so loosely coupled to the toroidal field electromagnets that on the scale that the Oscilloscope is on you wouldn’t see much of anything. (that’s why it takes so long to come up to speed) Even with that there is no “load” on the rotor. They even went to the trouble of including a machinist micrometer to minimize the rotor shaft end play. If there was a real load on this really low friction rotor the waveforms would look MUCH different.
2: The Oscilloscope is set to trigger on the rising edge of the optical encoder..which is the equivalent of a set of brushes. So of course the beginning of the waveforms is not going to move across the screen..No surprise there.

3: The “ringing” at the end of the pulse is due to the reactance of the coils...not the optical encoder. It’s a classical situation that is well understood. It’s the self induced voltage due the collapsing magnetic field. Note that it swings in dampened form in both directions. That’s a reactance..NOT a resistive element such as a photo transistor. In older automotive ignition sytems the capacitor/condenser helped to counteract this voltage swing from the ignition coil which if left unchecked caused the points to burn up much quicker...same thing.

4: Lastly If this thing actually works why don’t they connect the spinning shaft to a small generator and take the output of the generator and feed it back to this “thing” showing that it will continue to spin forever all on it’s own Hmmm ???

I call major BS.


26 posted on 01/10/2010 3:15:22 PM PST by InkYouBuss_007 (This one is escaping the Cuckoo's nest)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Actually their business model is to liscense it to others and let anyone develop it, you can sign up for the ability to do so on their site easily. I hope it’s real, we are going to need all the extra energy to warm up the planet with this new ice-age coming on!


27 posted on 01/10/2010 3:15:43 PM PST by big bad easter bunny (A lie can get half way around the world before the truth gets it's boots on!-Mark Twain)
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To: flash2368
Everyone who has been belly laughing at the new physics and zero point energy are going to have a rude awakening in the near future... Steorn is just one of many who are on the verge of huge breakthroughs in this field. Most are staying real silent literally out of fear of being killed.

I will accept your pemise for the sake of discussion. And I will imagine how I would handle the situation if I found I had discovered a source of unlimited, free and clean energy. Let's see, hummm... what would I do? Oh, I know. I would produce electrity and sell it back to either the power company or to big commercial users. Or I would produce steam or hot water and sell that.

So why is Steorn wasting his time trying to convince people he has found free energy? Why not just produce it and sell it? Why not just keep quiet and let the bucks roll in?

28 posted on 01/10/2010 3:17:24 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: flash2368

“It is the next BIG thing..and it will be Earth changing.”

Either it works and they can proof it (build a working model for examination) or they can articulate the principle, or it doesn’t and it’s a scam.

My money is on the latter.


29 posted on 01/10/2010 3:18:09 PM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

And far more likely than “free energy”. The anti carbon crowd would come running with fistfuls of money.


30 posted on 01/10/2010 3:22:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: big bad easter bunny

Yes, it doesn’t look like they will be making products to sell. They are a small R&D company with around 20 employees.

Their business plan appears to be this.

1. Use the current demo to prove their technology works beyond all reasonable doubt (without giving away all their trade secrets)

2. Have engineers and developers who are pursuaded sign up for access to their exclusive knowledge base for a fee where they can learn the secrets of their technology (under NDA of course)

3. Make money from royalties on products sold that employ orbo technology.


31 posted on 01/10/2010 3:30:06 PM PST by Normandy
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To: big bad easter bunny
Actually their business model is to liscense it to others and let anyone develop it,

So they haven't developed it yet?

Sounds might odd. If it really worked, I'd develop the s**t out of it and sell a finished product.

If it was a scam, I'd go the multi-level marketing route and sell licenses.

32 posted on 01/10/2010 3:35:24 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Normandy

WARNING WARNING WARNING! DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE INVOLVED IN "FREE ENERGY"!!!!


33 posted on 01/10/2010 4:34:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well there have been plenty of scams in this field for sure. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and if Steorn have what they claim they’ll have to provide it before anyone takes them seriously.


34 posted on 01/10/2010 4:46:37 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn

Jury process

Steorn's advertisement in The Economist was intended to attract the attention of scientists to form a "jury" to perform independent tests of their technology and to publish the results.[21][22] 420 scientists contacted Steorn within 36 hours of the advertisement being published[23] and on 1 December 2006 Steorn announced that it had selected a jury.[5] The jury was headed by Ian MacDonald, emeritus professor of electrical engineering at the University of Alberta, and the process began in February 2007.[6]

In June 2009 the jury announced its unanimous verdict that "Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy".[6][7] Dick Ahlstrom, writing in the Irish Times, concluded from this that Steorn's technology did not work.[6] Steorn disputed the jury's findings[6] and said that, due to difficulties in implementing the technology, the jury had only been provided with test data on magnetic effects for study.[24] Steorn also said that these difficulties had now been resolved and that a commercial launch was still planned towards the end of 2009.[6][24]

35 posted on 01/10/2010 5:03:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Normandy

It’s really quite simple, just attach an electric motor to a generator and the electricity produced by the generator will run the motor which will turn the generator which will....so on and so on.

Over unity, decoupling money from investors, while spinning the hype shaft on the muddle model and gainng monemtum till total sense overload.

Get in on the underground floor!


36 posted on 01/10/2010 5:18:27 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Well to be fair, Steorn hasn’t accepted any money from the public for the 3+ years since they went public with their claim.

The forum for fee paying licensees (”SKDB”) opens on Feb 1. If they don’t show anything compelling during the remainder of January then there won’t be much interest. The burden of proof is on Steorn.


37 posted on 01/10/2010 5:28:52 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy

Bump for later


38 posted on 01/10/2010 7:18:52 PM PST by BlackjackPershing (The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree - Thomas Campbell (Scottish poet))
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To: Normandy

What does it mean? Even more investors scammed out of their money.


39 posted on 01/10/2010 9:43:15 PM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: 1raider1; Wingy
Pixie dust. I wonder if flash2368 was one who believed the hype for the Segway. It too was going to “change everything”.

Well, there's a difference: At least the Segway works in principle - and who knows, with better batteries and after the patents have expired the combination of software and mechanics that Segway uses might even catch on. For $150 I'd buy one - for $5,000, well not so much.

Steorn on the other hand defies logic, physics and common sense.
Does anyone have ANY idea where this ‘free’ energy is coming from? Geothermal, solar, nuclear, wind, tides, moonlight or ????

That's the thing. AFAIK the Orbo device is a contraption of mechanic and electromagnetic element, basically a take on the old perpetuum mobile idea. Only problem: that doesn't work. Other companies claim that they can access more exotic forms of energy like zero-point energy etc. The only way to get "free" energy is renewable energy, which is free in the sense that it uses external energy sources in nature and produces more energy than is needed to manufacture the device (maybe half a dozen times for solar cells and a few dozen times for wind turbines). It's not "free" in the economic sense, however, and if you aren't careful (e.g. solar power makes more sense in Arizona than in Alaska) your net energy gain is also rubbish.
40 posted on 01/10/2010 10:01:26 PM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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