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“Nationalized Education”: The Next Battlefield? (RE-POST)
The Constitutional Alamo ^ | 07/06/09 | Michael Naragon

Posted on 12/27/2009 11:49:27 AM PST by Publius772000

Although–or, perhaps, because–liberalism has dominated public education since the 1960s, test results and competency in general continue to decline, much to the stated chagrin of officials in the school system and local, state, and federal governments. Barack Obama has made reforming the education system in America one of his highest priorities.

“[Education reform] will require a willingness to break free from the same debates that Washington has been engaged in for decades – Democrat versus Republican; vouchers versus the status quo; more money versus more accountability,” Obama has said. “And most of all, it will take a president who is honest about the challenges we face – who doesn’t just tell everyone what they want to hear, but what they need to hear.”

For sake of argument, what if the administration approached education in the same way they have approached health care?

The president has used very dire rhetoric in describing the health care “crisis,” even going so far as to claim that health care expenses are the primary cause of the current economic catastrophe/recession/depression/slowdown. To solve this problem, the government would, if the bill is passed, introduce “competition” to the marketplace. Private health insurance companies would have much stricter regulation, and any private insurance benefits given by employers would be eligible to be taxed as income. The government’s plan, therefore, would become increasingly attractive.

It is easy to picture the president making the same arguments about education. Indeed, on the president’s web site, he has already made similar statements.

“At this defining moment in our history, preparing our children to compete in the global economy is one of the most urgent challenges we face,” reads Obama’s statement on education. “We need to stop paying lip service to public education, and start holding communities, administrators, teachers, parents and students accountable...

(Excerpt) Read more at theconstitutionalalamo.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: education; healthcare; homeschools; obamacare
I've seen some interest in this particular post, as of late, and thought that any FReepers that hadn't seen it might enjoy the speculation.

Full article is available at the website, and, humbly, I think it's worth a perusal.

1 posted on 12/27/2009 11:49:28 AM PST by Publius772000
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To: Publius772000

I honestly expect a full assault on private education and home schooling. Especially regarding parochial schools and homeschooling, It’s been a fashionable topic in academia for over a decade.


2 posted on 12/27/2009 12:07:00 PM PST by upstanding
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To: Publius772000

It doesn’t really matter if education is nationalized. Every state has socialized education and every state’s system is marching in lock step with our enemies goals.


3 posted on 12/27/2009 12:31:45 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: bamahead

An ominous possibility for libertarians.


4 posted on 12/27/2009 12:55:11 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime; JenB

This may be the most urgent reason to homeschool yet.


5 posted on 12/27/2009 12:56:01 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: Publius772000

I think education is in the Constitution ... between the healthcare and abortion clauses.


6 posted on 12/27/2009 3:09:53 PM PST by GregoTX (When people find they can vote themselves money it will herald the end of the republic. Ben Franklin)
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7 posted on 12/27/2009 4:17:22 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Publius772000
because–liberalism has dominated public education since the 1960s,
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I can barely get past the first sentence.

GOVERNMENT EDUCATION HAS ****ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAY ALWAYS*** BEEN DOMINATED BY LIBERALISM!!!!!!!!!!

The people who pushed it on us in the mid-1800s were Utopian Progressives! Utopian progressives have ALWAYS been those directing teacher education and curriculum. Geeze! did this author think Dewey was hatched in 1900s????

From the very first DAY that taxpayer funded and compulsory government schools opened they were a socialist program!!! Simply by attending children in the mid-1800s and early 1900s learned that government had the power to take money from their neighbor to pay for a service their parents wanted for FREE!

Gee! It's a short step to being comfortable with “free” education to wanting other “free” stuff! Within one to three generations we had:

The IRS
The federal reserve
Direct election of Senators
The failed League of Nations
The feminist movement
FDR's New Deal
Johnson's Great Society
The abolishment of the gold standard
A thousand other socialist programs and agencies
And...Now a Marxist fascist Obama!

What is most exasperating is that few conservatives even understand that government schools are and ALWAYS WERE a socialist Utopian PROGRESSIVE scheme. And..Socialism can NOT NOT NOT be fixed!!!~!!!!!!

Going back to having government schools like they were in the 1950s WILL NOT FIX SOCIALIST MODELED SCHOOLS!!! SOCIALISM CAN NEVER BE FIXED!!!!

( Yes, I am shouting! This first idiotic sentence of this essay is EXASPERATING! I already know the author is an IDIOT!)

8 posted on 12/27/2009 4:32:24 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Publius772000
it will take a president who is honest
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Barf bag alert! Obama? Honest? Huh?

Where's the birth certificate, Barry, before you go nationalizing the schools.

9 posted on 12/27/2009 4:34:23 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Going back to having government schools like they were in the 1950s WILL NOT FIX SOCIALIST MODELED SCHOOLS!!!

The govt. schools of the 50's were not anything I'd wish on anybody.

10 posted on 12/27/2009 5:13:58 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wintertime

Thanks for the rant. Obviously, free public education was originated by progressives. The motivations behind the creation of the system were to produce automatons, more or less, the kind of people who vote for baseless platitudes like “hope” and “change.” No, I don’t believe that this idea emerged from the educational protoplasm in the 1960s. The reference was to politicized, party-driven domination of education. Fine, you want to draw it back to some other point. Write your own essay on the subject. I’m placing the turn in the 1960s because the age of Vietnam helped to create a swell of anti-American, anti-conservative ideology. Or, perhaps, it made it more acceptable to the mainstream at that time.

I’m not sure why you’re directing all this frustration at me. I’m fully aware that socialism isn’t a “fixable” idea. I personally would love to see the public school system run out of business by the private/parochial sector. It won’t happen anytime soon, of course, because the government(s) funds the public system with our tax dollars. But as one who works in education, I would love to see the system entirely privatized. I’m not for “fixing” it. The point of this little speculation was to show that the same line of reasoning that has been used to cram health care down our collective throats could be used to effectively nationalize the already-socialized state systems.

So apologies for raising your body temperature a few degrees. I’ll try not to take the idiot comment personally.

Reminds me of a line from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly...

TUCO (reading note): “’See you soon... id... id...’”
BLONDIE: “’Idiots.’ It’s for you.”


11 posted on 12/27/2009 6:23:51 PM PST by Publius772000 (http://theconstitutionalalamo.com)
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To: Publius772000

Every citizen that cares about freedom seriously needs to revolt in their own way but we must ALL stop supporting the system with our money and we should overload the current system just like they have.


12 posted on 12/27/2009 6:41:31 PM PST by surfer
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