[Praxeologue]

In conversations with global warming advocates, I am asked: "Are you telling me that those Landsat photos of the polar ice caps are doctored?" I don't have an answer for that, even after considerable searching. To the simple images of the receding advocates, the expanding images I have seen are either from less credible sources or of compromised integrity. The debate ends with the ice caps, because it is simple and visual. Debating average temperatures is exponentially more difficult to assess.

Can anyone provide a link to credible sources of clear, simple satellite photos that indicate unchanging or expanding polar ice caps?

[avid]

They are expanding but that doesn’t have anything to do with a climate change. It’s due to the ozone holes at the poles. They reduce the greenhouse effect.

[shibumi]

It’s clear to me that they are respanding exceeedingly.

http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/851/Polar_ice_cap_studies_refute_global_warming.html

[Lancey Howard]

It wonder what would have happened to those poor polar bears if the world had listened to the climate alarmists back in 1975?

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve... The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.

From: Newsweek: The Cooling World (April 28, 1975)

Meet the new alarmists, same as the old alarmists.

[Waco]

Wanna buy a years supply of food? Two years?? Pooooor Art Bell.

[Straight Vermonter]

The arctic ice cap receded a great deal in 2007 because there was a prevailing wind which blew across the pole and into the Norwegian Sea. This meant that even as ice was formed in the winter the entire ice pack was being blown into the Atlantic. Temps in the region were no warmer that year than in previous years (or years since) it was simply a function of the prevailing wind. Since first year ice is weaker than multi-year ice there was a larger decline in the ice pack during the summer of 2008 than the average. In 2009 after a year of recovery the ice pack receded less than average during the summer.

This year the ice pack, so far, is expanding faster than normal.

BTW, while everyone talks about the arctic the antarctic actually contains 90% of the world's ice and has been growing.

[smokingfrog]

The satellite photos only show how much area the ice covers. Doesn’t it also matter how thick the ice is? Do they have some way to measure that?

i.e. The prevailing winds could push the ice from one area to another, causing it to pile up, and still have the same amount of ice, more or less, just more concentrated in some areas instead of being spread out.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Fire Under Arctic Ice: Volcanoes Have Been Blowing Their Tops In The Deep Ocean

ScienceDaily (June 26, 2008) — A research team led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) has uncovered evidence of explosive volcanic eruptions deep beneath the ice-covered surface of the Arctic Ocean. Such violent eruptions of splintered, fragmented rock--known as pyroclastic deposits -- were not thought possible at great ocean depths because of the intense weight and pressure of water and because of the composition of seafloor magma and rock.

[AndyTheBear]

The ice caps shrink in the summer and expand in the winter. They also have other cycles obviously driven wind and ocean currents as well as other natural factors. Possibly these are in turn driven primarily by the amount of ketchup we all prefer to put on our hamburgers, but that makes little more sense than saying they are driven by a marginal variant of the average temperature of the Earth's climates.

Your friends should have to make the connection, not you. Instead use the same graphics to show the dangers of ill portioned hamburger ketchup. If the ice caps expand...it was ketchup. If they shrink...its ketchup. If they stay the same...its due to ketchup. All natural disasters in modern times...due to ketchup. After all you have PROOF...since your friends can't deny that there were natural disasters. Show them any old pictures of destruction and human suffering due to disasters. Demand to know what they are going to do about ketchup portions in their own lives. If they balk, tell them the debate is over, and any "expert" who disagrees is in league with "Big Ketchup" (i.e. John Kerry).

[kik5150]

In order for ice to melt it must be warmed above its freezing point. Ice cannot melt in Antarctica since it is virtually always below freezing even in the Summer. Ice can however be lost via sublimation, which is caused directly from the sun. The ice pack in the Arctic is different in that it is mostly sea ice and can be affected by warmer localized ocean currents. These local warmer ocean currents do not indicate that the entire earth’s oceans are warming. In fact sensors indicate that the oceans as a whole have not warmed at all this entire dcade.

[snowsislander]

You can compare satellite data for the Arctic sea ice extent for most days from 1979 until now at http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh.

(Some of the satellite data from around the end of 2008 and and through the beginning of 2009 unfortunately are considered not useful due to problems with a satellite's sensing unit; you can look at Satellite sensor errors cause data outage for a long discussion of the problems.)

[Paul Pierett]

For you review.

You may want to repost your topic with this.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/recent365.anom.region.9.html

[Paul Pierett]

Most of my work is posted at nationalforestlawblog.com Oct. Newsletter.

The present situation is sunspots. There are few and far between. We are in a solar minimum which means.

Fewer and weaker hurricanes and shorter hurricane seasons

Appears to be an increase in tornados and stronger longer lasting Tornados

Increased glacier activity; is not the Arctic a floating glacier

Severe winters, severe cold

Crop damage and lower yields

Drop in Ozone production which needs hot summers

Long term drought

By the way, there is a documentary out there that shows during post WWII that a lake in Antarctica had water at 40 degrees due to an underground volcanic activity.

In all my studies I have not come across volcanic activity under the Arctic.