Floridians are next in line...
Posted on 12/04/2009 4:58:31 AM PST by Patriot1259
...if and when Texas makes the move to secede, after a majority vote by its people, the federal government will send troops in and keep us from following through.
Does anyone else find this a little strange; that those opposed to secession are opposed because they fear the federal government? I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am for secession because I fear the federal government. I don’t necessarily fear them because I think they will march into Texas and impose martial law, but because if we don’t do something to stop what they are doing to us and the rest of the nation, we will all be living in a third world country, in debt to those who are becoming super powers, such as China
(Excerpt) Read more at thecypresstimes.com ...
Godspeed, my Lone Star FRiends - if your state makes it to the point that they go down this road, you will have many challenges ahead of you ... wish I could move down there ;-)
If this does happen, We’ll move there! I really liked the San Anglo area when I was there in ‘96 for Crash Fire Rescue School.
BS I am the only one who actually flew to D.C. went to my Representatives office and said that I will not participate in the healthcare mandate. Don Young’s staff sounded like they were on board but unfortunately it is, and was, up to the Senate. Lisa Murkowski has been doing some good things, I think it is because she has political cover, but if she can stop Obama care and Cape and Trade then I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
Floridians are next in line...
If this does happen nobody will be going anywhere! The feds will put an absolute lock down on travel between states, and you will be too busy surviving to think about anything else. The time to get to where you want to be when TSHTF is now.
“If this does happen, We’ll move there!”
You will not be alone! I’ve been talking about this for a number of years.
A couple of questions do come to mind though. What of the U.S. military personnel in TX? Would they desert? Or, would they be called back to the “U.S.” for other duties?
Would the TX National Guard become the TX military?
This would be first priority, IMHO. You would have to establish security on the borders, not only on the south, but west, north and east as well.
Here is the deal with secession; if you want it, it is an individual task. I do not suggest it because I believe it is a last resort that requires a willingness to die. America is not at that point yet; keep your powder dry.
You have a right to secede, but it's not a CONSTITUTIONAL right. It's a right that predates the Constitution, and does not derive from the Constitution. The Constitution is a supreme national government that lays claim to all its subjects, and acts not just on the states, but on the people directly. The only way out is the way you came in--by convention of the whole. Or by force. Either way is by definition EXTRA-constitutional.
Point is that it is a bad Idea. You have the right to poop your pants, but that does not make it a good idea.
I do not suggest it because I believe it is a last resort that requires a willingness to die...
You’re right but, I prefer thinking of it in the glass is half full version.
“I do not suggest it because I believe it is a last resort that requires a willingness to kill.”
http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/ The Texas State Guard
For the first time in my life, I truly believe that there could be armed insurrection or even a military coup to oust our current President and Congress. If marshal law were to be declared in any state and federal troops were ordered in to enforce Obama’s dictats, I could see mass mutiny in our armed services. If we fail to start a clean out of Congress with the 2010 elections or if those elections are in some way thwarted by Obama declaring some trumped up “national emergency” I could see outright civil war.
If there's one state that could pull it off, it'd be Texas. I'm not against breaking up the USA, but the intellectual groundwork has not been laid. We're nowhere near ready for it.
REMEMBER THIS, TEXANS:
Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border Fence Originally Mandated by Congress
“One reason DHS has been able to do this is an amendment that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R.-Texas) slipped into an omnibus appropriations bill that Congress passed on December 18, 2007. Hutchison’s amendment put a loophole in the fence law that allowed the secretary of Homeland Security not to build the fence Congress had mandated the year before.”
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/43422
REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU VOTE FOR GOVERNOR
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>>The Constitution is a supreme national government that lays claim to all its subjects, and acts not just on the states, but on the people directly.<<
Whoa! You may be a subject of the Constitution and its government, but I sure as sh*t ain’t. The Constitution gets its power from the people; not the other way around.
I was born free and I will die free. If it be to protect us from foreign enemes, so be it. And if it be to protect us from domestic enemes, again so be it.
Thanks. This is somewhat reassuring.
Yeah right. You voted for it? It GOT it's power from delegates to state conventions a long time ago. But that power was ill-defined. The language was broad and vague, and left the Supreme Court to sort out. So, the extent and power of the national government, not to mention the extent and meaning of the Bill of Rights, is decided by the Supreme Court. You voted for them?
Consent of the governed is a fairy tale. Try not consenting and see where it gets you. We're governed by the national government under the Constitution because it was in force when we were born, and there's nothing we can do about it. Flatter yourself with talk of freedom all you want, but we're as free as THEY allow us to be.
Patrick Henry, Virginia Ratifying Convention 20 June 1788:
“No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea.”
The creeping tyranny of our government is not the result of a faulty Constitution. A debauched people are responsible.
THIS, is Patrick Henry:
"That government is no more than a choice among evils, is acknowledged by the most intelligent among mankind, and has been a standing maxim for ages. If it be demonstrated that the adoption of the new plan is a little or a trifling evil, then, sir, I acknowledge that adoption ought to follow; but, sir, if this be a truth, that its adoption may entail misery on the free people of this country, I then insist that rejection ought to follow."
Patrick Henry, June 7th, 1788
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