[ClearCase_guy]

I see no solution that does not involve enormous loss of life. And that becomes a situation of "burning the village in order to save it". Western Values are really about the value and importance of the individual. Killing 100 million people in order to preserve those values seems like a wrong-headed approach.

I'm very pessimistic and I feel bad for my children.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Killing 100 million people in order to preserve those values seems like a wrong-headed approach.

There lies the problem. The West refused to head things off when it would have cost little and now we are racing past the less painful options. Every day we slide further from morally acceptable alternatives, those avenues are closing at blinding speed.

I hate knowing where we are headed, for myself, my family and for the children.

[Noumenon]

Some time ago, one of FR's best essayists made the point that people stranded at sea in a lifeboat will in extremis drink their own urine in order to survive. That does not mean that they would not return to the ideal of fresh, clean water the instant they got the chance.

In like manner, even an animal will gnaw its own limb off to escape a trap and save its life.

What would you do to save your own civilization, knowing full well that the failure to act - however terrible the act - will mean slavery OR WORSE for your children and all the generations after them? This is a question that is losing its last shreds of the hypothetical. It's a question that we will all face in our lifetimes. And we will NOT have the luxury of deferring it nor will we be able to choose an answer that we like.

Civilization or barbarism and slavery?
Life for you and your children or death for the monsters who aim to consume them?

What'll it be?