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Stupak Anti-Abortion Amendment Has A Huge Loophole
Bluegrass Pundit ^ | Sunday, November 8, 2009 | Bluegrass Pundit

Posted on 11/08/2009 12:54:24 PM PST by Askwhy5times

Nancy Pelosi managed to gather enough votes to pass the almost 2000 page House health care reform bill (H.R.3962) by allowing the Stupak Amendment. Many blue dog Democrats would not vote for Pelosicare because because it covered abortion with health care reform funds.

According to the New York Times:

To save the health care bill she (Pelosi) had to give in to abortion opponents in her party and allow them to propose tight restrictions barring any insurance plan that is purchased with government subsidies from covering abortions.

How tight are these restrictions? Here is a screen shot from a pdf of the Stupak Amendment.

The Amendment says no funds may be used to fund abortion or any health care plan that includes abortion unless there is a physical disorder, physical injury or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman in danger of death unless an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, or unless the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.

This certainly sounds like a strong prohibition, except for the rape or incest clause. Usually Democrats try to leave a huge loophole by sticking in an exception for "mother's health." This could be interpreted to include mental health. Under the The Mental Health Parity Act most of the distinctions insurance companies can make between mental health and physical health have been removed. At first glance, this loophole seems to be be missing from the Stupak Amendment. That is until you look up the definition of "physical disorder." A physical disorder (as a medical term) is often used as a term in contrast to a mental disorder, in an attempt to differentiate medical disorders.

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; hr3962; prolife; punked; stupak; stupidparty
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The term physical disorder in Stupak Amendment is code for type of mental disorder. Liberal judges will have fun with that.
1 posted on 11/08/2009 12:54:26 PM PST by Askwhy5times
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The term physical disorder in Stupak Amendment is code for type of mental disorder.

Only because government intervention in health care is in the works.

2 posted on 11/08/2009 12:58:54 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Askwhy5times

And this would be the very same “no funding of abortion” amendment that that our brave Republican House Members lined-up to vote in favor?


3 posted on 11/08/2009 1:00:01 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Askwhy5times

the mental health was used for late term abortion and guess what person oversaw that law in her state.

yep Kathleen S


4 posted on 11/08/2009 1:02:28 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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Yes, Republicans voted for the Stuppak Amendment. I think they were deceived by the meaning of “physical disorder.” It is not obvious that is referring to a type of “mental disorder.”


5 posted on 11/08/2009 1:03:19 PM PST by Askwhy5times (http://bloggingredneck.blogspot.com/)
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Yes, Republicans voted for the Stuppak Amendment. I think they were deceived by the meaning of “physical disorder.”

Are you joking?

Do you really believe that every GOP member of the House is dumb enough to be deceived by the meaning of "Physical disorder" and how in medicine the lines between physical and mental disorders are often blurred or overlapping?

Wow, you are really funny!

6 posted on 11/08/2009 1:08:47 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Askwhy5times

This simply means all abortions for any woman willing to lie will be paid for. The big loophole is rape. Any woman wanting an abortion can say she was raped. Of course she didn’t report it at the time because she didn’t get a good look at him. The event was so traumatic that all she wanted to do was forget about it. Now that she’s pregnant, her nightmare has returned. You can be sure that a simple affadavit will be all that’s needed. No police report or questionig of the rape allegation will be necessary.


7 posted on 11/08/2009 1:09:54 PM PST by Fetid Facts (Under Democrats, "The law is a ass--a idiot.")
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To: Askwhy5times

Doesn’t matter. This will be stripped in Conference Committee IF the Senate passes their version of the monstrosity.


8 posted on 11/08/2009 1:15:47 PM PST by Ole Okie (American)
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No, it is a lot easier than that.

All a woman needs to say is:

“I will kill myself if I have to have this baby”

“If Obama Care does not pay for my abortion, I will do it myself.”

“My husband/boyfriend is not the father of this baby and he will hurt me when he sees that he is not the father.”

Each of the above are clearly potential physical disorders and the program would pay for the abortion.

And it is clear that once again, the Pro-Life Movement was Punked by the GOP.


9 posted on 11/08/2009 1:22:46 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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It will be back when the Senate and House meet on the bill, the only thing the Stupak Amendment did was sucker in the republcans.


10 posted on 11/08/2009 1:27:04 PM PST by Venturer
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This simply means all abortions for any woman willing to lie will be paid for.

She won't even need to lie - all she needs is a "doctor" to work in collusion with. And the doctors who perform abortions are more than willing to stretch the "truth" in order to earn a buck.

11 posted on 11/08/2009 1:27:35 PM PST by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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Liberal social justice in action, it now has a religious oh so holy holy holy whitewash.


12 posted on 11/08/2009 1:31:54 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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Pregnancy will be deemed a ‘physical disorder’


13 posted on 11/08/2009 1:36:31 PM PST by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: Askwhy5times

The Republicans would have been wise to vote against the Stupak amendment, but the “National Right to Life” said they were scoring this vote.


14 posted on 11/08/2009 1:37:38 PM PST by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The Final Turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: Askwhy5times

Would this Stupak amendment have not passed if it weren’t for Republican votes? If that is the case, then Republicans have blown it once again. When are they ever going to learn that satan does not play fair?


15 posted on 11/08/2009 1:40:25 PM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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Take your pick:

A. The Republicans are too stupid to read between the lines and understand that this will not stop tax payer funded abortions.

B. The Republicans only pay lip service to the Pro Life Movement and really have no interest in stopping abortion.


16 posted on 11/08/2009 1:51:45 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Askwhy5times

None of these “fig leaf amendments” would be part of the final conference committee bill that would pass both House and Senate and land triumphantly on BO’s desk. This is simply a trick to try to get so-called “conservative” Democrats re-elected next year. EVERY “Blue Dog” must be terminated next year because their election is a vote for Nancy Pelosi to remain Speaker of the House.


17 posted on 11/08/2009 2:26:44 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Askwhy5times

Is the Stupak amendment actually in the bill and, if so, where can a printed copy of the bill as passed be found?


18 posted on 11/08/2009 2:48:09 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: Askwhy5times

I wouldn’t worry so much about this language as I would the exemption for States and other entities (provided funds arising from this specific bill are not used):

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15284081/Stupak-Amendment-to-HR-3962-Rev-108

That’s assuming, of course, they don’t come back and simply write another amendment, perhaps citing equal protection or some civil rights statute, to provide federal funding for abortions.


19 posted on 11/08/2009 2:58:30 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: Askwhy5times

They will tak this onto another bill somewhere down the line if it’s not there already, THEY FOOL NO ONE!


20 posted on 11/08/2009 2:59:39 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Leaders who refuse to lead will be lead by the people)
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