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Why the US Should Bar Muslims from Military Service
Red Warning ^

Posted on 11/06/2009 7:58:55 AM PST by Sir Gawain

Friday, November 6, 2009

Why the US Should Bar Muslims from Military Service

Once again, yesterday, November 5, 2009, while screaming "Allah Akbar!”, Major Nidal Malik Hasan provided abject and deadly evidence that sincere Muslims cannot honestly serve in the United States military. The Army psychiatrist killed twelve and wounded more than thirty Army personnel at Fort Hood, Texas. In this, he joins such other sincere followers of Islam as Quinton Ezeagwulaby, Mir Aimal Kasi, and US Army sergeant Hasan Karim Akbar in murderously attacking those who stand watch and protect the United States of America either in the United States or on US bases.

Nidal Malik Hasan, was born in the United States, raised in genteel Virginia, public school educated, Virginia Tech graduate enrolled in ROTC, and made a doctor through the military medical school. Yet his religion prohibited him from serving in the Army of a non-Muslim nation.

I believe Nidal Malik Hasan was a sincere Muslim well versed in the Koran. The Koran clearly prohibits Muslims from serving non-Islamic masters. He was no “religion of peace” believer, because Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Islam is a religion of submission – submission to Islam.

Let there be no doubt here – the United States Army itself bears partial responsibility for this carnage by not running Major Hasan out of the service long before this event. There is ample first hand evidence that Major Hasan frequently and publicly denounced the United State’s war against Islamic terrorism and supported terrorist acts undertaking by Muslims against the United States military. In what kind of twisted, politically-correct, uber-sensitive Army would we not discharge such a disaffected, disloyal soldier?

Thank God -- and by God, I mean the God of Abraham, God the Holy Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Sprit – thank God for brave first responders and true Americans like police Sgt. Kimberly Munley who did her duty and engaged the murderous Islamic terrorist alone and injured.

What should be abundantly clear at this point is that sincere Muslims should honestly admit that they cannot in good conscience remain in the service of the United States military. Today, immediately, the United States Army must discharge all sincere Muslims as conscientious objectors – in this, there really is no shame. The government should not attempt to deprive Muslims of their faith, but the government must be honest in determining that US military service is incompatible with the Islamic faith, and we need to quit making excuses about it.

Until that happens, persons in the United States military should distrust any Muslim assigned to their unit or post. This nation must put aside its political correctness and see Islam for what it really is, not was Christians and liberals want Islam to be.

God bless the Fort Hood community and the Army community. We put enough on the Army as it is – we should not tolerate ticking human timebombs in its midst.


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To: Sir Gawain

Or all muslems in the service need intense psych eval.


21 posted on 11/06/2009 8:23:09 AM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Winner of the Reply of the Day award, IMHO.


22 posted on 11/06/2009 8:23:26 AM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Hey 0bama, Kenya show us the long-form BC? ))))
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'd like to remind everyone on this thread (except Non-Sequitur) that the US Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. Banning Muslims from military service would be unconstitutional.

That said, any adherent of Islam (or any other faith) who expresses views similar to those Hasan openly expressed should be immediately discharged from the service...not on the basis of religion, but on the basis of inability to discharge his/her duties.

23 posted on 11/06/2009 8:24:35 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

persons in the United States military should distrust any Muslim assigned to their unit or post. This nation must put aside its political correctness and see Islam for what it really is, not was Christians and liberals want Islam to be.

Bump


24 posted on 11/06/2009 8:24:36 AM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: aloppoct

A base commander said yesterday that people don’t carry weapons around the base because it’s considered their homes and they didn’t see a need to have everyone armed when going in for medical/dental procedures or grabbing food from the mess hall or whatever.

Makes sense, but the result was tragic and horrible.


25 posted on 11/06/2009 8:26:19 AM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Hey 0bama, Kenya show us the long-form BC? ))))
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To: Non-Sequitur

Thank you for posting that. In our anger, we sometimes loose perspective.


26 posted on 11/06/2009 8:27:23 AM PST by Marie (remember, remember, the fifth of november...)
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To: Sir Gawain

Remind me again why we didn’t let Nazi’s serve in the military or occupy high government offices during WWII.


27 posted on 11/06/2009 8:29:54 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: 6ppc
Banning Muslims from military service would be unconstitutional.

I do not think this can be conclusively stated without there first being a realistic and generally accepted assessment of what the tenants of Islam are.

I happen to believe they are very much at odds with our constitutional form of government, and can explain why.

28 posted on 11/06/2009 8:30:29 AM PST by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: Sir Gawain

On 9/12/01 every non-citizen Muslim should have been summarily deported, and every citizen Muslim placed under surveillance. Mecca, Medina and Qom should have become smoking glassed over ruins.

Is it too late to start over?


29 posted on 11/06/2009 8:31:55 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Battle Axe

Not only SHOT by a woman.....

PARALYZED by a woman according to recent reports.

Karma’s a bitch.


30 posted on 11/06/2009 8:33:14 AM PST by battletank
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To: battletank

The only thing that would have been better is if the bullets were dipped in pig grease before she shot him.


31 posted on 11/06/2009 8:34:19 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Marie

Hysteria never helps. Hassan did what he did for his own reasons, and deserves to be condemned for his actions. Assuming he pulls through he’s headed for the death chamber at Marion. But leave it with him.


32 posted on 11/06/2009 8:34:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: 6ppc
...the US Constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

That is correct, but I respectfully submit that Islam is not a religion, but a seventh century socio-political system masquerading as a religion.

33 posted on 11/06/2009 8:36:49 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Sir Gawain
Full Disclosure: My knowledge of Islam is rather basic.

If my understanding is correct, devout Muslims seek to, by whatever means necessary, spread Sharia Law; they are to continue this until the Dar-es-Islam, when the entire world is subject to Sharia Law (either as Muslims, as dhimmis, or as dead infidels).

That said, it seems that devout Muslims have their loyalties elsewhere - they cannot seek to truly serve our nation and its Constitution, except by seeking to implement Sharia through that Constitution. Their loyalties must lie contrary to our nation.

The problem is not one of religion; it is one of the fact that their religion is inseparably tied to a political system that is diametrically opposed to our government and its laws.

Thus it seems, according to me, that there is no way to justify allowing Muslims to serve in any field that might allow them to gain control of the government - no military, no politics, no security-clearance level jobs - full stop. And since Muslims may lie to non-Muslims about how be allowed to serve in those roles.

Yes, there are some people who happen to be of Islamic faith who genuinely care about the country. The young man whose tombstone is above who bravely fought and died is one of them. There are plenty of other ways to help our nation that are outside of the roles I mentioned above.

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34 posted on 11/06/2009 8:37:56 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: battletank

When I was a landlady for these creeps, the one who understood both cultures, knocked my hand away when I extended it to a real hard core slime to seal the deal. The one who understood knew that would infuriate the hard core one and it was all he could do to rent from a woman, let alone touch my hand.

I think there must be some law in small print at the back of their book, saying, shot by a woman, NO VIRGINS FOR YOU.


35 posted on 11/06/2009 8:40:11 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: Natural Law
Charles Lindbergh was given an honorary commission as a Colonel in the US AAC prior to WWII. When his Nazi sympathies became known his commission was revoked. When he tried to enlist after Pearl Harbor he was politely told to pound sand. This despite his being one of the greatest living pilots in the world in a country desperately short on trained pilots

Religious or political fanatics of any stripe should not be allowed in the US Military. I know there are no atheists in a foxhole, but if military personal start to get fanatical about their religion, whatever that may be, they should get discharged.

36 posted on 11/06/2009 8:41:24 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Sir Gawain

First, despite the government soundbites, this nation is and has long been at war with Islam. Islam certainly has long been at war with this nation, and we should be honest about it.

Second, I believe sincere Muslims hold their faith at least as strongly as I hold mine. If the United States was a war with my religion, I would not be able to serve in the US military in good conscience. I see no reason why the same would not apply to Muslims.

Religious faith is stronger than love of country or duty to a government, especially a country and government your faith labels the Great Satan.

The Army should have let the guy out when he asked, but the Army needs the American of Arab descent officer quota filled – can’t let him out.

This nation is engaging in a slow national suicide because of an unwillingness to see facts as they are. I don’t have to drink the koolaid.


37 posted on 11/06/2009 8:43:24 AM PST by Redwarning
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To: Sir Gawain

How would it have played out if a member of the Japanese Americans who served in the US Army did the same thing in 1942? The program would of ended there and then.


38 posted on 11/06/2009 8:49:15 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Non-Sequitur

Unlike Maj Hasan, CPL Khan was not wearing Arabic clothing, handing out Korans, and giving away his furniture while stationed stateside.

CPL Khan remained loyal to the government over his religion. I say we should not force anyone to make that choice.

The thing about mistakes is that they can be corrected, but not retroactively. Just because they cannot be corrected retroactively does not mean they should not be corrected.


39 posted on 11/06/2009 8:54:33 AM PST by Redwarning
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To: 6ppc

The Constitution says that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Where you go astray is the concept that there is some right (Constitutional or otherwise) to be in the military.

You are sadly misinformed if you believe this.

The government can pick and choose who can stay in or out of the military for whatever reason they wish. Security risks are routinely prohibited from military service. Adherence to Islam is a security risk for the US military.

There would be no First Amendment violation whatsoever if we banned Muslims from the military. Try again.


40 posted on 11/06/2009 9:00:43 AM PST by Redwarning
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