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Is War Necessary to Ensure Liberty?
The Woodward Report ^ | Brian Woodward

Posted on 10/25/2009 3:32:51 PM PDT by thisisthetime

An increasingly popular movement in this country is that of “libertarianism.” Ron Paul most recently brought it into the national spotlight with his token run for the White House. However instead of this movement being focused on liberty another concept jumps to the forefront, non-interventionism.This is a foreign policy which holds that political rulers should avoid alliances with other nations and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial self-defense.

However, the belief that there are barriers or certain limits on how liberty must be pursued seems to be the mantra of many “libertarians.” The whole idea of non-interventionism as well as that freedom cannot come by force, are flawed ideals to hold.

While non-interventionism can be useful and freedom may not in some cases be able to be brought by force, this does not mean that these ideals or principles should be followed in all cases. These as well as all policies should be subordinate to the main principle of liberty. This country was founded on the principle of liberty, and efforts to preserve that liberty should be pursued at all costs.

The great conservative Barry Goldwater said it best, “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

Furthermore I submit that freedom can and has come by force time and time again. Germany and Japan are two examples of this after World War II, and they have both worked out well. Imagine what it would be like if we did not impose freedom there.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: freedom; libertarian; nonintervention; war
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To: Safrguns

>>> Apparently not, I say, citing the Obama administration.

>I agree.... Therefore, war is not necessary to preserve it.

But saying that war is not necessary to defeat it is NOT the same thing as saying war is not necessary to preserve it.

>Armed revolution may be very necessary if we do not have the same patience our enemies had in defeating us...

That we can still hope to win means we are not yet defeated.

>but we better start doing something quickly to combat this bloodless war, or a bloodbath is inevitable.

I personally think we have reached that point. Look at Congress and how they act with impunity regarding the law (freezer full of bribe-money anyone?) or how ALL branches of Government ignore the Constitution (No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed. {That is to say, no laws regarding a specific group of people and no laws that are retroactive.} How do retroactive, punitive taxations strike you? How about retroactive repeal of immunities? Retroactive executive orders? Retroactive disparagement of rights? [Namely felons can’t have guns.] And the USSC can’t be bothered about any of these...), finally, to top it off, read the Declaration of Independence and note just how many of the complaints could be legitimately leveled against our government.


21 posted on 10/25/2009 7:17:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: thisisthetime
Is War Necessary to Ensure Liberty?

No. War is to be avoided at almost all costs. It is a last resort.
22 posted on 10/25/2009 7:19:42 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
No. War is to be avoided at almost all costs. It is a last resort.

Agreed, but name your "Costs". I, for one, think our the respect for our country, our liberty and our Constitution have been spent on a bloodless(so far) coup. It may be time where the cost is more then we can overlook.

23 posted on 10/25/2009 7:23:22 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall.)
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To: IrishPennant

Are you speaking of war or revolution? I would put the revolution threshold at a suspended democratic election, which we have not yet come close to experiencing.


24 posted on 10/25/2009 7:31:04 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

You have a great observation. We shall never be at an internal war. I do, however, feel a revolt coming. At that point I shall not look at it as “At what cost.” Instead, as I look though my kitchen at my 12 yo old son lying on the floor in the family room watching the Cardinals and Giants, it is to what “End”.


25 posted on 10/25/2009 7:36:06 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall.)
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To: OneWingedShark

>>> But saying that war is not necessary to defeat it is NOT the same thing as saying war is not necessary to preserve it.

The statement was an axiom. If it’s true for one side, then it stands to reason that it is true for the other.

In order for freedom to be regained without bloodshed, my point was that it would take 30 years to re-educate the general populace as it has taken 30 years to void it of it’s core values. However, that would still require regaining control of the media and the education system before the process could begin.

>>> I personally think we have reached that point.

I believe you may be correct.

We are the victims of a very patient and long term takeover of the hearts and minds of our younger generations.
However, even armed confrontation may not be enough to regain what we have lost.

I think that’s where God comes in.


26 posted on 10/25/2009 8:29:12 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

There is a saying I picked up from my philosophy teacher:
“Peace is not the absence of war, but the presence of Justice.”

The injustices of the country, the ones that are wholly preventable, are numerous. But there are two that are truly grievous:
-The legally-sanctioned mass-murder of the unborn.
-The presence of “protected classes” tolerated within out legal-system.


27 posted on 10/26/2009 6:17:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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