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Posted on 10/22/2009 6:31:30 AM PDT by mickeyleroy
Please everyone! Pray for Addie Ruth Halbin to Francis X. Seelos taht she is cured of all her cancers & alzheimers.
Only if you fix my improper tense usage to “zip” ;)
I will.
And ping you when I quote.
You’re amazing!
He and you presume that some "saint" who may not be a saint has any pull, (hint) no church is going to get you anywhere when your time "to assume room temperature" (thanks Rush) but your faith and belief in God, (another hint) you don't need a priest, Imam, monk, preacher druid shaman, to talk to God.
The proper request would have been "please pray for ......"
And BTW I need more prayer than there are people in the world.
Semantics. "Pray to Francis X Seelos" is no different than "ask the intercession of Francis X Seelos."
"Pray to" in this context is "direct your requests to"
Or?
(Whoops.)
How about a nice, “Yes, I will pray to Our Father for your loved one.”?
Responsibility2nd handled it quite nicely. While disagreeing on the dogma, added the prayer for the person at the end.
Love God more than you hate praying to saints.
The best way to teach Christianity is to show it.
Really?
Show me the word "Saint" in his post and everything...
[i]See for instance Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” [/i]
Everyone who is saved is a Saint...this scripture does not refer to just those who were “declared” saints by the Catholic Church....
I am a Saint..these prayers are from me and all other saved people who have prayed to God.
Jesus was asked once how we should pray..He said “Our Father who art in Heaven”....So, we should only pray to God not anyone else.
I will be happy to ask Bl. Francis X Seelos to intercede for Addie’s health and recovery.
RM, even though this person posted a request for prayers in “Bloggers and Personal” is IS a request for prayers, and as such should not be an object of ridicule, but sympathy. If the forum members can’t do as the poster asked, can they just avoid the thread?
And it’s not a prayer to win the lottery, for heaven’s sake! It’s a prayer for cancers and Alzheimer’s. Surely SOME here can empathize!
I routinely pray for anyone who requests it, with no judgement or need to know what their church or religion is. Do we really have to doctrinally beat up newbies posting for prayers?
“Asking a Saint to pray for you is perfectly reasonable, just like asking FReepers to pray for you.”
Except that you can communicate directly with FReepers and FReepers can communicate with God through Christ and engage in intercessory prayer. A middle-man fantasy “saint” (a powerless dead guy) is neither necessary nor effective, so why waste time? Pray directly to God through Jesus. (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. I Tim. 2:5)
Every born-again Christian is a “saint”. In the Bible, there is no higher-level guy who was decreed to be a saint, e.g., Paul, Stephen, etc. ALL Christians are saints, which is clear in Paul’s epistles. He wrote to, and referred to, “the saints” who were ALL the members of The Church, not just some of them — not just the cool ones or wo were extra spiritual.
We believe in adhering to the U.S. Constitution literally. Why can’t we give the Bible the same respect? Does Thomas Jefferson deserve more respect than God? What made the early popes believe that they had power over God to change His words and make up funky new stuff?
He's not dead.
So you can’t pray for the poor guy’s loved one, just deliver a sermon?
I’ll pray twice, to make up for you.
What a strange construction of reality. There's no evidence that the early popes believed they could do that, nor DID they do that.
Mickey, please don’t judge all FReepers by the few here who are anti-Catholic. There are plenty of us who can understand where you are coming from, and will take your petition to Bl. Francis X Seelos and other saints, and to the Lord our God.
Prayers also for you, for peace of mind and heart in this time of trouble.
If I were to move this thread to the RF and delete the inappropriate posts, it would look like Swiss cheese.
So, Judith Anne, I suggest you post a new prayer request for mickeyleroy on the RF and ping him to it so that he can see how it is done.
Then I can either pull this thread or let it go inactive, whichever mickeyleroy prefers.
I don't presume to know a whole bunch, but I know wrong and if his idea of praying to St Sparky is going to achieve his goal, oo rah! but please don't presume to know.
BTW I would think the best way to teach any belief is to live it, I think the Pharisees showed it by going out to the street corner to pray to be seen.
And I also recall some instruction on going into your closet to pray to God the Father.
Could just be Roman Catholic. They pray to dead people. Unless a Christian says something Bibley. Then they say they don’t, and we’re stupid for saying something. Then when we’re gone and there’s just them, they go back to it.
No, that's not why
>>How about identifying heresy and calling a spade a spade. Blasphemy is what it is. You can’t candy coat wrong.<<
Exactly and this poor poster came here looking for prayers not a lesson in dogma.
Prayers are right, smacking him/her around for asking in his/her own way, is wrong.
The Christian in me would offer prayers to Our Lord Jesus Christ in answer to a prayer request even if someone came here and asked for prayers to Allah, Gaia or Buddha. That shows Christian charity. Perhaps the teaching should be in FReepmail.
It’s a pity that this poor poster didn’t know to post this in the Religion forum. There, prayer requests are off limits to arguments.
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