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Hypothesis: Fake American Civil War 2 Geopolitical Outcome (The Igor Panarin theory)
Gibberish Is My Native Language ^ | January 13, 2009

Posted on 10/21/2009 9:36:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Wall Street Journal recently published an article discussing a theoretical collapse of the United States in 2010. Igor Panarin presented his theory in 1998, and cites mass immigration, economic collapse, and moral decline as key triggers to a second American civil war that will fragment the US into four pieces, with Alaska going back to Russia and Hawaii ending up in Japanese or Chinese hands.

Here’s what Panarin’s theoretical United States region would look like, post second American civil war:

(MAP AT LINK)

Now, there are a few things I agreed with right off the bat, like California being the dominant part of the “California Republic,” and Texas forming the core of the “Texas Republic.” However, anyone who has ever been to both New York state and South Carolina will know that these two areas would never ally with each other in the event of a split. It’s hard enough getting the people of Northern Virginia and the rest of the Commonwealth to agree on things; trueblood Southerns and Yankees will kill each other instantly.

So, it got me thinking. What would the US-region look like after a second civil war? Here’s my map:

(MAP AT LINK)

I wrote a big ol’ breakdown of the different nation-states and why the aligned this way versus that way, etc. I was going to post it up along with my map, but when I explained it to my co-workers they all looked a little something like this:

(SMILEY)

...so I will probably hold onto it for another time. ;)

Anyway, what do you think? If the US were to collapse, how would you align the states?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: civilwar2; cw2; igorpanarin; obama; revolution
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It's a lot closer than it was in January.
1 posted on 10/21/2009 9:36:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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My guess is that Tennessee, South Carolina and Kentucky are not going to fit all that well into Atlantic America which will soon be joining the EU.

2 posted on 10/21/2009 9:42:59 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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My guess is that Tennessee, South Carolina and Kentucky are not going to fit all that well into Atlantic America which will soon be joining the EU.

3 posted on 10/21/2009 9:44:23 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

I agree. The Texas Republic plus your Kentucky, Tennessee and South Carolina would likely be the southern grouping.

I don’t think the southern grouping would be “part of Mexico or under Mexican influence” though. It just aint gonna happen.


4 posted on 10/21/2009 9:46:50 PM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Article by Russian is total rubbish.

We are going to “Take It All Back” from the Leftist Slime.

Alaska will never speak Russian and there are many more states that gravitate toward Texas than listed.

If you look at the voting records from Congressmen, if you remove New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, and Michigan; they are where the problem is. Rest of the nation gets along pretty well.


5 posted on 10/21/2009 9:46:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Garbage. This assumes China/Japan and Mex and Russia are stronger than a divided USA. NO. It also assumes the American citizens will roll over to the Russians, Mexicans, etc. NO. How many guns are out there in the USA? How will the people of Alaska react to being ruled by Russia? These countries do not have armies big enough to pacify any part of the USA.


6 posted on 10/21/2009 9:48:28 PM PDT by uscabjd
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Agreed it getting closer everyday. My worry is that Obama is the type that can't sand losing and he is. When the writing on the wall gets so clear even he can read it, he will think the SCREW YOU ALL! and burn the house down around him rather than admit defeat and then scamper off to Europe way he and his Nobel would easily recieve asylum.
But I think I will get the Mrs to help me this weekend and together we will do some sewing!

7 posted on 10/21/2009 9:49:58 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

John Titor ping?


8 posted on 10/21/2009 9:50:14 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: uscabjd

My thoughts exactly.


9 posted on 10/21/2009 9:53:24 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another ludicrous view of how the US will be divided.

10 posted on 10/21/2009 9:53:24 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: stefanbatory

Looks that way...


11 posted on 10/21/2009 9:53:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: trumandogz

This map looks more like the NCAA DIv. 1 Conference map.

New Texas= The Big 12
New America South= The SEC
New America North =ACC
Republic of the Midwest=Big Ten
California= The PAC Ten
Open Sky= The Mountain West


12 posted on 10/21/2009 9:57:21 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What makes them think it would be aligned by state?


13 posted on 10/21/2009 10:01:58 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: uscabjd

Alaska is tiny. Barely over half a million in population and extremely spread out. It would be Russian in a month in the event of a civil war.


14 posted on 10/21/2009 10:08:24 PM PDT by Melas
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is what the USA will look like.


15 posted on 10/21/2009 10:09:58 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suspect if there’s a balkanization of the US, some of those state lines will definitely change as well...


16 posted on 10/21/2009 10:10:07 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Without the Constitution, there is no America!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My real problem with ideas like this is the idea that states are single minded. I strongly doubt that Texas would stand together in the event of a civil war, let alone form a Republic with other states or parts of states.


17 posted on 10/21/2009 10:10:24 PM PDT by Melas
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To: trumandogz

I’ll say.

Western MD would have a collective stroke if it were shackled to the rest of the state.

[We’re all descended from and still within spitting distance of WV any way. Send us back home]


18 posted on 10/21/2009 10:10:30 PM PDT by Salamander ("Welcome to my nightmare.....I think you're gonna like it")
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To: trumandogz

well at least we will be in with Texas here in Kansas. I can live with that.


19 posted on 10/21/2009 10:11:36 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Salamander

I did some work in Accident way back when and as far as I could tell I was in WV.


20 posted on 10/21/2009 10:14:01 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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