Why David Keene Threatened To Punch Me At WCPAC

http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-david-keene-threatened-to-punch-me-at-wcpac/ ^

[oliverdarcy]

Just got this e-mail from Ziegler:

"You will want to read about my bizarre adventures on Saturday at Western CPAC in Newport Beach. You can view the complete story with video here. Please spread this link to those who you think might be interested as there are many who will be trying to spike this story.

Also, please don't respond to this e-mail unless it is urgent as my e-mail box needs to be cleaned out and I am way behind in doing that.

Thanks so much for your support."

REMEMBER: JOHN ZIEGLER WILL BE SPEAKING AT UC MERCED THIS FRIDAY. THE EVENT IS FREE AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND. CLICK HERE FOR MORE DETAILS.

[Reagan Man]

Neither man did anything to help the conservative cause. David Keene didn’t handle this well at all. OTOH, John Ziegler acted like a complete ass.

[RonDog]

Ziegler: You are arrogant, rude and haughty.

Thanks, nonetheless.

LOLOL!

John certainly seems to have missed a few classes in Charm School, but he **is** tenacious -- and he is on OUR side, most of the time. :o)

See, for instance, his EXTRAORDINARY documentary:

HowObamaGotElected.com

[nutmeg]

find later

[RonDog]

Seems to me this is just a catfight between a supporter and non-supporter of Palin’s.

Perhaps.

But some of us Palint-bots also had a problem with the head of CPAC's support for a former RINO, now full blown RAT:

Palin-bashing CPAC/ACU Chair donated $2,000 to Arlen Specter, endorsed Romney

The first letter of "CPAC" is supposed to stand for CONSERVATIVE, right?

[RonDog]

If I understood Ziegler correctly, he uses the term "birther" as if it were a self-explanatory disqualifier of serious debate from anyone so tagged.

I've not heard that type of reasoning among conservatives.

LOL!

You don't get out much, eh?

I want to see the Kenyan Usurper's COLB as much as the next guy, but even conservatives as hard core as our "take no prisoners" Ann Coulter has reservations about getting too far out in front of this issue, as you can see from THIS recent column:

Ann Coulter: OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE SPOTTED IN BOGUS MOON LANDING FOOTAGE (Film at 11)

[donna]

Ann Colter is playing the game, too. Don’t fool yourself.

It’s not too much to ask to see the birth certificate of the President of the United States.

[donna]

Oops, make that Coulter, not Colter.

[holden]

I know there are unsupported or discreditable and out-there claims among those with reservations about BHO's NBC qualifications, e.g., BHO born in Kenya, not US citizen because of Indonesian passport, etc. but my understanding is that the libs and MSM would lump any and all who are not yet fully satisified by the KOS-provided COLB as "birthers", and that we do ourselves a disservice when we use that label just as would the liberals and MSM.

Ziegler seemed to be doing just that.

HF

P.S. Sure, I get out plenty.

[RonDog]

I understand. I get frustrated, too.

No offense intended.

[AppyPappy]

CPAC morphed into RPAC

[P-Marlowe]

Did you send money to Arlen Spector?

If you contributed to this organization, you did.

[EveningStar]

The only thing Ziegler accomplished was to destroy his credibility forever.

He's an assclown.

[Joy Angela]

Zieglers' Conclusion is Right On!

This entire episode has greatly furthered my already strongly held belief that the vast majority of the conservative “movement” is “led” by fakes, flakes, freaks, frauds, phonies and sell outs who are far more interested in protecting their own little thiefdoms than promoting the cause. That may not surprise veterans of the political process and human nature, but I would still like to believe that the principles of freedom, liberty, limited government, national security and the constitution deserve much better than that.

There are many reasons why conservatism finds itself clinging to a quickly dying minority in America, and this issue is right at the top of the list. If I have given up my career in the movement to spark a change, it will be well worth it. Regardless, I know that, while I am hardly perfect, I have fought a just fight and always did what I thought was right.

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Yes! And THIS IS WHY John Ziegler inspires the rest of us Freedom Fighters!!

Guts. Guts. And more Guts!!!

AMERICAN all the way!!!

[Bob J]

Most people define conservative as “what I think”, so until there is an accepted norm for the word it can mean anything anyone wants it to.

I’ve asked that question many times on FR and besides the inevitable food fight at least a third of the respondents start out by claiming it begins with a belief in Jesus Christ as one’s Lord and Savior and the next two most common were abortion and generally just hating homosexuals.

In other words most people define conservative on where one stands on certain issues dear to their hearts, not an overall philosophy about the role of government, taxes, etc.

[RonDog]

Most people define conservative as "what I think", so until there is an accepted norm for the word it can mean anything anyone wants it to.

Sort of like ART, eh? (And pornography.)

I know it when I see it.

Maybe. But from a thread currently posted in Breaking News, many of us would agree that most of THESE beliefs, for example, are NOT "conservative."

Dick Armey to endorse 3rd party candidate over "Republican" in NY House race
Dallas Morning News ^ | 2:04 PM Mon, Oct 19, 2009 | Dick Armey to endorse 3rd party candidate over Republican in NY House race
Posted on Monday, October 19, 2009 1:37:18 PM by cc2k

The special election to fill New York's vacant 23rd congressional seat is perhaps the earliest test of the GOP's chances to reclaim the House in 2010.

Yet the GOP candidate, Dede Scozzafava, has struggled to line up Republican support, and has taken a pummeling from conservative groups that assert she's liberal. The Club for Growth and Eagle Forum, among others, support her opponent, Doug Hoffman, who's running on the Conservative Party ticket.

Add North Texas' Dick Armey to the list of conservative stars backing Hoffman...

-- snip --

..Scozzafava also holds these positions:

Pro choice
In favor of gay marriage
In favor of Cap and Trade (I need to check my sources on this. Newt said she opposed this)
In favor of Employee Free Choice Act (Card Check)
In favor of the Stimulus
In favor of Bank Bailouts
Scozzafava has also run in past elections on the Working Families Party (a progressive party associated with ACORN) line on the ballot.

[PhiKapMom]

Exactly!

[PhiKapMom]

I have suspected him as well and I haven’t donated to national organizations in sometime — direct to candidate or not at all.

[PhiKapMom]

I know very little about Ziegler about what he has said — I was only commenting on the fact that I have the same impression of Keene for sometime.

As for the birther issue, who knows where the truth lies — I have little confidence we will get the truth.

[Once-Ler]

Obama is pleased with our interparty squables. Clearly conservatives are suffering a delusion that there is strength in exclusivity. Perhaps others are not watching the frightening rat assault on conservative/balance media. and the exultation of all things liberal and evil. I swear some Freepers would purge the GOP until only they and Palin remained. Didn’t like McCain, fool? Choke on 0, Pelosi, and Reid. We have an oportunity to stop the rats if we stop pushing away our allies in the GOP.

[IrishCatholic]

“Whether Keene is, or is not, selling himself or CPAC can be looked at, but not by behaving like a clown.”

In no way did I defend Keene other than he looked like a grown up. Ziegler looked like a fool.